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00:00:46,050 paranormal mysteries hiral access and 16 00:00:52,850 --> 00:00:49,320 tonight I'm welcoming in 2019 with my 17 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:52,860 guest who is one of the unsung heroes of 18 00:00:57,049 --> 00:00:55,199 the Rendlesham forest incidents and I 19 00:00:59,450 --> 00:00:57,059 know you're probably cringe at that but 20 00:01:02,060 --> 00:00:59,460 as far as ufology sconce owned he's the 21 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:02,070 most notable researcher there even 22 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:04,379 suggest Britain's leading researcher on 23 00:01:08,450 --> 00:01:06,840 the Rendlesham forest incidents he 24 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:08,460 speaks to many of the witnesses both 25 00:01:13,609 --> 00:01:11,369 public and not public and has all the 26 00:01:16,550 --> 00:01:13,619 knowable teas and eyes crossed and 27 00:01:18,890 --> 00:01:16,560 continues to unearth new bits and people 28 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:18,900 and there's PC incidents together better 29 00:01:22,820 --> 00:01:21,479 than anyone I know at least so if you 30 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:22,830 want to know something about the 31 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:24,450 incidents then I think you should pay 32 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:26,100 attention to my good friend Ronnie don't 33 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:28,860 down welcome to the show really thank 34 00:01:38,539 --> 00:01:30,960 you for that - oh yes you did have me 35 00:01:40,580 --> 00:01:38,549 cringing I don't known as anything 36 00:01:42,740 --> 00:01:40,590 really and I just do my own thing and I 37 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:42,750 try not to get involved with all the 38 00:01:49,670 --> 00:01:45,840 politics of it you know there's plenty 39 00:01:52,190 --> 00:01:49,680 of people who claim to be leading 40 00:02:00,260 --> 00:01:52,200 researchers of this Matt and I'll then 41 00:02:02,179 --> 00:02:00,270 go on yeah so I mean these incidents are 42 00:02:04,370 --> 00:02:02,189 completely fraught with controversy out 43 00:02:07,490 --> 00:02:04,380 there and there's discuss between all of 44 00:02:08,419 --> 00:02:07,500 the witnesses for a multitude of reasons 45 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:08,429 really 46 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:10,319 the company's definitely split and 47 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:12,840 everyone has different ideas about what 48 00:02:20,539 --> 00:02:16,980 happened and you know that Christmas 49 00:02:23,839 --> 00:02:20,549 weekend but one thing that no one can 50 00:02:26,390 --> 00:02:23,849 argue with is how the IRF are al rifai 51 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:26,400 whistle was really blown which is 52 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:27,540 actually the title of a brilliant 53 00:02:32,509 --> 00:02:29,489 article that you Robert just I stood on 54 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:32,519 my pond actually and this one personally 55 00:02:36,140 --> 00:02:33,870 was trying to take credit for all of 56 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:36,150 this and he's been debunked over and 57 00:02:41,629 --> 00:02:39,030 over and over again by you me Georgina 58 00:02:43,210 --> 00:02:41,639 Bruni Linda Moulton Howe James Easton I 59 00:02:46,009 --> 00:02:43,220 mean the list goes on 60 00:02:47,509 --> 00:02:46,019 Larry claims that he got the memo out it 61 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:47,519 couldn't got the tape out into the 62 00:02:52,369 --> 00:02:49,560 public but that's not true is it 63 00:02:54,289 --> 00:02:52,379 no I mean it probably played a part in 64 00:02:57,110 --> 00:02:54,299 that I'm sure he did play a small part 65 00:02:59,830 --> 00:02:57,120 in that but he claims that he'd done 66 00:03:01,970 --> 00:02:59,840 everything which we know he didn't know 67 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:01,980 there was a lot of people involved with 68 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:04,530 getting the getting the memo out and the 69 00:03:09,619 --> 00:03:07,470 tape out especially I mean he asked dot 70 00:03:12,199 --> 00:03:09,629 who where to get the tape from to how 71 00:03:15,470 --> 00:03:12,209 could he be God I he got the tape when 72 00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:15,480 he went to Japan you know that was 73 00:03:20,509 --> 00:03:19,019 already not been circulating in the 74 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:20,519 public domain but they were certainly 75 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:22,440 out there I think the first person to 76 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:26,040 get it was Harry Harris yeah you know he 77 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:29,250 got his from and won the the years 78 00:03:35,509 --> 00:03:32,340 offices in America whether that was 79 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:35,519 intentionally and proud to him we don't 80 00:03:40,369 --> 00:03:37,590 really know about Colonel Hall had to 81 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:40,379 take when when Harry Harris went to Bent 82 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:43,530 Wars and added me and with them Colonel 83 00:03:46,009 --> 00:03:43,859 holt 84 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:46,019 they were teased with bit latecha they 85 00:03:50,589 --> 00:03:47,970 knew there was a tape out there just get 86 00:03:53,780 --> 00:03:50,599 hold of him you know the difficult thing 87 00:03:59,289 --> 00:03:53,790 so Harry Harris got a copy first then 88 00:04:03,409 --> 00:03:59,299 and got street she got copy of the tape 89 00:04:04,479 --> 00:04:03,419 so no fellow II want to say got a bear 90 00:04:08,569 --> 00:04:04,489 it's nonsense 91 00:04:11,509 --> 00:04:08,579 no I know there was you well dot and 92 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:11,519 Brenda did an amazing job of cataloging 93 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:13,590 every single thing right from the 94 00:04:19,310 --> 00:04:16,139 beginning didn't they with the recording 95 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:19,320 phone calls etc I mean both of them had 96 00:04:24,410 --> 00:04:22,440 extortion phone bills to pay 97 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:24,420 yeah I think Dodd was the one who had 98 00:04:30,220 --> 00:04:26,250 the extortionate phone bill she liked to 99 00:04:32,330 --> 00:04:30,230 talk a lot and she yeah and she was M 100 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:32,340 ringing backwards from towards to the 101 00:04:38,030 --> 00:04:34,770 states because she was interacting with 102 00:04:41,690 --> 00:04:38,040 them Greenwood and thought oh it's on so 103 00:04:43,700 --> 00:04:41,700 you know member but phone call I mean I 104 00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:43,710 was just coming out the Merchant Navy at 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:45,600 that time and phone calls him to my mum 106 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:47,610 from New Zealand cost of weeks wages you 107 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:51,120 know there's ridiculous Wow you know 108 00:05:03,710 --> 00:04:52,590 there weren't no cheap like we have no 109 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:03,720 Skype nothing like that yep when I 110 00:05:08,060 --> 00:05:06,630 string the local pub up and then someone 111 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:08,070 in the pub have to run down the road to 112 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:10,050 get my man and mum would run back and 113 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:11,580 then we'd have a conversation for about 114 00:05:18,890 --> 00:05:17,160 five minutes I could remember people 115 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:18,900 having them locks on the cell phones oh 116 00:05:25,340 --> 00:05:23,820 yeah we do know you could once you got 117 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:25,350 to know if you had one then lots on you 118 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:27,690 could tap the number I just have to tap 119 00:05:34,070 --> 00:05:31,050 like nine nine for nine dots per nought 120 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:34,080 for nine and three for three and you 121 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:38,490 could get phone call though easy mind 122 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:41,280 much cheaper Skelly's we knew out to get 123 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:43,020 free phone calls with the public phone 124 00:05:48,020 --> 00:05:46,050 call boxes anyway you know press button 125 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:48,030 I used to stick a lollipop stick up 126 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:49,830 there and trap the money and then go in 127 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:51,780 there and get it all out short sweet 128 00:05:56,570 --> 00:06:00,380 [Laughter] 129 00:06:16,180 --> 00:06:04,490 so well I'm it was the conference 130 00:06:20,510 --> 00:06:18,530 yeah actually John did come on the 131 00:06:31,239 --> 00:06:20,520 markets Thornhill Bates a few days so it 132 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:31,249 was good fun yeah so that was 133 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:34,849 interesting evening actually because you 134 00:06:38,619 --> 00:06:36,769 went through the timeline didn't hear 135 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:38,629 that your pace together with John yeah I 136 00:06:43,029 --> 00:06:40,849 try to Satya there's just so much there 137 00:06:44,739 --> 00:06:43,039 I mean and also that's difficult you 138 00:06:47,589 --> 00:06:44,749 can't really afford to leave anything 139 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:47,599 like because some of the facts are in 140 00:06:52,679 --> 00:06:49,849 the in the in the bits you leave out 141 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:52,689 details you need everything in there um 142 00:07:00,099 --> 00:06:56,479 how can you leave anything apart you 143 00:07:02,199 --> 00:07:00,109 know it's difficult because not everyone 144 00:07:04,169 --> 00:07:02,209 agrees on what they saw and people stood 145 00:07:07,119 --> 00:07:04,179 next to each other sorting things and 146 00:07:09,189 --> 00:07:07,129 you know whether that was because of the 147 00:07:10,899 --> 00:07:09,199 phenomena we don't know what happened to 148 00:07:13,809 --> 00:07:10,909 him afterwards maybe in the debrief and 149 00:07:15,459 --> 00:07:13,819 what's playing at their heads but you've 150 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:15,469 got to give everyone side of what they 151 00:07:19,119 --> 00:07:17,449 saw you know I can't discount it you 152 00:07:20,829 --> 00:07:19,129 know just because you favor one person 153 00:07:26,589 --> 00:07:20,839 to the other you know you've got you've 154 00:07:29,619 --> 00:07:26,599 got you've got to love it they were 155 00:07:32,379 --> 00:07:29,629 never together anyway when Jim was with 156 00:07:36,549 --> 00:07:32,389 the objects John was not stood with him 157 00:07:38,919 --> 00:07:36,559 and you know and Jim wasn't with John 158 00:07:41,859 --> 00:07:38,929 and Halton Adrian the following night so 159 00:07:44,289 --> 00:07:41,869 there's a lot of parts where they didn't 160 00:07:47,559 --> 00:07:44,299 interact anyway so they have got 161 00:07:51,789 --> 00:07:47,569 completely different you know positions 162 00:07:53,619 --> 00:07:51,799 on everything because of yeah the way 163 00:07:55,509 --> 00:07:53,629 they remember it though was completely 164 00:07:58,809 --> 00:07:55,519 different underneath through taken and 165 00:08:01,569 --> 00:07:58,819 for instance John and Jim's 166 00:08:04,119 --> 00:08:01,579 sigh and also got bring it into this 167 00:08:07,119 --> 00:08:04,129 know Jim says that one sec was left as a 168 00:08:09,609 --> 00:08:07,129 relay he don't remember it like that he 169 00:08:12,129 --> 00:08:09,619 remembers being with him he he remembers 170 00:08:15,549 --> 00:08:12,139 seeing the bright white light in that 171 00:08:17,649 --> 00:08:15,559 and but obviously way we're hoping that 172 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:17,659 the listeners understand a fair bit 173 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:21,979 about things to me well yeah there was a 174 00:08:28,029 --> 00:08:24,110 part of the incident on their first 175 00:08:30,069 --> 00:08:28,039 night where they Jim and John and active 176 00:08:31,569 --> 00:08:30,079 on stack followed the lights into the 177 00:08:33,490 --> 00:08:31,579 forest they come across the berm and 178 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:33,500 when they looked over they saw a bright 179 00:08:41,319 --> 00:08:38,120 white light named John remembers the 180 00:08:43,179 --> 00:08:41,329 light grown intensely bright and then 181 00:08:45,070 --> 00:08:43,189 hid in the deck and that's all he could 182 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:45,080 remembers like when he came to so 183 00:08:49,690 --> 00:08:47,600 an orange ball of light disappear up 184 00:08:52,570 --> 00:08:49,700 over the trees mount to the coast and 185 00:08:57,460 --> 00:08:52,580 they follow that out then a Cuban sack 186 00:09:00,460 --> 00:08:57,470 says that John drew his side I'm on it 187 00:09:02,950 --> 00:09:00,470 and they all all all throughout in past 188 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:02,960 name because Jim de médecine completely 189 00:09:07,420 --> 00:09:04,820 where he says he saw a lender craft 190 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:07,430 there and walked round it and done his 191 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:09,880 own Ricky and Rick down took photographs 192 00:09:28,810 --> 00:09:14,480 and the cliff sweater on the side and so 193 00:09:30,370 --> 00:09:28,820 you got three completely different but I 194 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:30,380 really haven't actually paid any 195 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:32,180 attention to it I will be speaking to 196 00:09:38,290 --> 00:09:36,230 Gary Osbourne soon yeah you can see that 197 00:09:41,020 --> 00:09:38,300 he's drawn these symbols and those 198 00:09:42,490 --> 00:09:41,030 symbols they you can tell that his hands 199 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:42,500 are shaking like Marty's like he's 200 00:09:50,290 --> 00:09:48,410 pumped with adrenaline first yeah you 201 00:09:54,430 --> 00:09:50,300 know that when he drew the boy first 202 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:54,440 yeah so you know I just for it's just 203 00:09:57,370 --> 00:09:55,970 little things like that that jump out at 204 00:09:58,870 --> 00:09:57,380 me and kind of lend a little bit of 205 00:10:03,090 --> 00:09:58,880 authenticity to these sort of things 206 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:03,100 yeah so but well I'm not I heard this 207 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:06,350 from what it's been saying this is is 208 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:07,970 I've heard it before it's domine yeah 209 00:10:12,670 --> 00:10:09,890 well the thing with it he doesn't really 210 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:12,680 come public as he keeps it stopped 211 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:14,930 himself and he don't like to discuss it 212 00:10:19,540 --> 00:10:17,420 with anyone wasn't done me I think he 213 00:10:21,940 --> 00:10:19,550 can i he said a few words in the first 214 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:21,950 CNN documentary and that was it because 215 00:10:27,370 --> 00:10:23,690 something happened after that when he 216 00:10:29,350 --> 00:10:27,380 came out he started to talk about the 217 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:29,360 incident and next thing you know his 218 00:10:33,700 --> 00:10:31,280 business was being investigated by the 219 00:10:36,580 --> 00:10:33,710 IRS you know that the Inland Revenue 220 00:10:38,140 --> 00:10:36,590 over there and he always thought that 221 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:38,150 was connected that was because he spoke 222 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:41,330 and so whether that was the reason or 223 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:44,090 whether he was just terrified still of 224 00:10:48,070 --> 00:10:46,640 not knowing really what happened we 225 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:48,080 don't know because the thing was with it 226 00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:51,530 he remembers the beginning he remembers 227 00:10:55,270 --> 00:10:53,060 the end when he ends up on 228 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:55,280 borough Hill with John burrows that's in 229 00:10:59,049 --> 00:10:57,890 this statement overlooking the estuary 230 00:11:01,029 --> 00:10:59,059 where the lighthouse 231 00:11:03,549 --> 00:11:01,039 look he can't remember to bet in the 232 00:11:06,789 --> 00:11:03,559 middle and all the witnesses they've all 233 00:11:09,339 --> 00:11:06,799 got this problem with memory and when 234 00:11:12,459 --> 00:11:09,349 John had his incident with Adrian bust 235 00:11:14,619 --> 00:11:12,469 Inza which is when the whole part is 236 00:11:17,769 --> 00:11:14,629 then coming back from their incident and 237 00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:17,779 they meet up with John who's them we're 238 00:11:21,489 --> 00:11:19,519 not absolutely sure but we'll just say 239 00:11:22,659 --> 00:11:21,499 in a part of the forest perhaps the 240 00:11:26,979 --> 00:11:22,669 landing stage 241 00:11:29,619 --> 00:11:26,989 the young the landing post what's the 242 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:29,629 word where all the trucks were kept that 243 00:11:31,719 --> 00:11:30,529 could have been there that could have 244 00:11:33,909 --> 00:11:31,729 been somewhere else no one's really 245 00:11:36,279 --> 00:11:33,919 certain I think Adrian holds the key to 246 00:11:38,769 --> 00:11:36,289 that and they went forward and they had 247 00:11:40,299 --> 00:11:38,779 another incident where John was involved 248 00:11:43,449 --> 00:11:40,309 and enveloped with light and disappeared 249 00:11:46,359 --> 00:11:43,459 and then a being temporary saw a 250 00:11:48,249 --> 00:11:46,369 triangular craft there and then next 251 00:11:50,019 --> 00:11:48,259 thing you know that's gone and John 252 00:11:52,509 --> 00:11:50,029 stood there me saying what happened 253 00:11:54,849 --> 00:11:52,519 they've been saying I don't know from 254 00:11:55,449 --> 00:11:54,859 that moment onwards for the next 14 255 00:11:57,309 --> 00:11:55,459 hours 256 00:11:59,499 --> 00:11:57,319 John can't remember anything and 257 00:12:01,089 --> 00:11:59,509 Adrian's give clues to say that you 258 00:12:03,819 --> 00:12:01,099 don't remember anything anyways because 259 00:12:06,129 --> 00:12:03,829 he said them in the past and he said to 260 00:12:07,869 --> 00:12:06,139 me that he has problems putting 261 00:12:10,239 --> 00:12:07,879 everything together and little bits keep 262 00:12:12,609 --> 00:12:10,249 coming back but he can't remember 263 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:12,619 he knew he he remembers being back at 264 00:12:16,479 --> 00:12:14,929 the base afterwards he knew he must have 265 00:12:19,049 --> 00:12:16,489 bothered rid there or someone drugged 266 00:12:21,849 --> 00:12:19,059 him but you don't know how he got there 267 00:12:25,089 --> 00:12:21,859 then we got this other problem you see 268 00:12:27,579 --> 00:12:25,099 the whole tape finishes around about 269 00:12:30,269 --> 00:12:27,589 3:30 4 o'clock time 3 to 4 o'clock 270 00:12:33,459 --> 00:12:30,279 around about that time when he says this 271 00:12:35,949 --> 00:12:33,469 there's still them beans being shined 272 00:12:37,419 --> 00:12:35,959 down in the weapons storage area well 273 00:12:40,149 --> 00:12:37,429 there's no way you can see that from the 274 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:40,159 Rendlesham forest anyway so Colonel Hall 275 00:12:43,749 --> 00:12:42,229 tells us that he knows that because he 276 00:12:48,099 --> 00:12:43,759 overheard but two chatter on the radio 277 00:12:49,599 --> 00:12:48,109 and so ok and but then he just says 278 00:12:52,659 --> 00:12:49,609 we're cold retired and no one's paying 279 00:12:56,139 --> 00:12:52,669 any attention so we went home I mean 280 00:12:59,259 --> 00:12:56,149 that seems a strange thing to do just to 281 00:13:03,159 --> 00:12:59,269 finish an investigation when there's 282 00:13:05,469 --> 00:13:03,169 unknown UFOs whatever they are flying 283 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:05,479 over your weapon storage area and you 284 00:13:07,629 --> 00:13:06,889 just say you've gone home that just 285 00:13:12,339 --> 00:13:07,639 don't add up 286 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:12,349 I wonder perhaps is there an area of the 287 00:13:15,249 --> 00:13:13,310 time 288 00:13:18,610 --> 00:13:15,259 from that moment onwards when Colonel 289 00:13:21,489 --> 00:13:18,620 Holt don't remember I mean he's never 290 00:13:24,540 --> 00:13:21,499 come forward and said there is but if 291 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:24,550 there was that would explain awful lot 292 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:29,050 yeah you see all were debriefed in a 293 00:13:35,290 --> 00:13:33,290 very uncomfortable way it wasn't just a 294 00:13:38,619 --> 00:13:35,300 sitting down and having a little chat it 295 00:13:40,900 --> 00:13:38,629 was right that was frightening yet and 296 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:40,910 of course Colonel Holt says that you but 297 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:43,490 he wasn't debriefed 298 00:13:52,179 --> 00:13:46,069 but the USO report says that he was 299 00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:52,189 debriefed twice so you know he would not 300 00:13:57,970 --> 00:13:55,040 Bend agreed I mean someone would know it 301 00:14:00,129 --> 00:13:57,980 would be unusual to to leave him out of 302 00:14:01,869 --> 00:14:00,139 it wouldn't it I mean wouldn't even make 303 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:01,879 any sense that wouldn't make any City 304 00:14:12,549 --> 00:14:10,689 directing what's going on basically but 305 00:14:14,739 --> 00:14:12,559 yeah obviously it was an extremely 306 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:14,749 unusual situation and not one that any 307 00:14:22,569 --> 00:14:16,610 of them would ever had any training for 308 00:14:24,369 --> 00:14:22,579 no train for anything like that I mean 309 00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:24,379 there was one of the things Jim 310 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:26,509 Penniston said you know he was he was 311 00:14:30,610 --> 00:14:28,160 expecting the downed aircraft had been 312 00:14:33,220 --> 00:14:30,620 used to going out to downed aircraft and 313 00:14:35,290 --> 00:14:33,230 he was preparing for that right until 314 00:14:37,329 --> 00:14:35,300 you know they got close to the object 315 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:37,339 and you know when you go out to a crash 316 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:39,889 site there smells and there's certain 317 00:14:44,319 --> 00:14:42,740 sounds and and colors that come from 318 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:44,329 there you know the burning wreckage and 319 00:14:48,790 --> 00:14:46,790 there was none of that you know but he 320 00:14:51,639 --> 00:14:48,800 weren't expecting to see what you know 321 00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:51,649 so you got taken her account they must 322 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:53,360 have been in shock as well and shock 323 00:15:03,040 --> 00:14:55,370 does funny things do that does funny 324 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:03,050 things to you don't--it shock in Wales 325 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:06,529 there's big chunks missing for me yeah 326 00:15:13,230 --> 00:15:09,889 you know and I think that was just pure 327 00:15:15,730 --> 00:15:13,240 shock yeah um there's something that and 328 00:15:18,699 --> 00:15:15,740 effects yeah I mean I had a sighting 329 00:15:21,429 --> 00:15:18,709 when I was a kid and that was only about 330 00:15:23,559 --> 00:15:21,439 two years ago one of the girls who were 331 00:15:26,199 --> 00:15:23,569 in our again we was every man about 10 332 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:26,209 12 years old one of the girls who was in 333 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:26,810 our gang 334 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:29,810 I didn't even and think she was there at 335 00:15:35,500 --> 00:15:32,300 the time I can't say who was there she 336 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:35,510 contacted me on Facebook and added me 337 00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:37,490 and so like I snuck the boat with their 338 00:15:42,430 --> 00:15:40,910 older brothers and I'm asking you after 339 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:42,440 pleasantries how you're doing what you 340 00:15:49,690 --> 00:15:45,110 doing now and then she comes up with her 341 00:15:52,329 --> 00:15:49,700 you know she drops the bomb on me did I 342 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:52,339 imagine or did we barely see a UFO and 343 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:54,410 then that just hit me you know they 344 00:16:01,510 --> 00:15:58,970 suppress that will amuse and you know 345 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:01,520 that was a wine moment you know that 346 00:16:14,350 --> 00:16:11,960 will come back to me yeah I mean I've 347 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:14,360 heard people say they you know then 348 00:16:17,650 --> 00:16:15,890 blocking things that you mind and I 349 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:17,660 thought well how can you but I mean I'd 350 00:16:21,070 --> 00:16:19,610 put it right out in the mind a lot of 351 00:16:26,050 --> 00:16:21,080 things that come back to me piece by 352 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:26,060 piece since then and you know you know I 353 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:27,650 asked her to describe it and I was 354 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:29,630 exactly I live I'm out didn't put any 355 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:31,460 ideas in their head and she described it 356 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:34,610 moment the moment I'm still not sure who 357 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:36,770 the other kids were one of them might 358 00:16:41,050 --> 00:16:38,570 even be my sister I can't remember 359 00:16:42,910 --> 00:16:41,060 because at the back of our house was a 360 00:16:46,990 --> 00:16:42,920 filled with swings on you know where 361 00:16:49,450 --> 00:16:47,000 kids play and this was in a and a corn 362 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:49,460 field was stubbled the corn had been cut 363 00:16:55,510 --> 00:16:52,880 and I happened there and I can't 364 00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:55,520 understand why no one else boy you know 365 00:16:59,500 --> 00:16:57,440 all the houses over look at why the 366 00:17:01,810 --> 00:16:59,510 parents didn't say and I can't 367 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:01,820 understand why no one spoke about it we 368 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:09,400 so L mean is it shot or is it something 369 00:17:20,110 --> 00:17:11,810 that the phenomena does does to make us 370 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:20,120 forget yeah I have to say and I 371 00:17:24,579 --> 00:17:22,610 apologize my poor out dogs not very well 372 00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:24,589 and I've had to come in this fair room 373 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:26,959 to speak to you /f because I've gotten 374 00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:29,210 to Avery's and slightest bit like it'll 375 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:31,520 set them off singing and he's not - well 376 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:33,710 sorry only snoring or fart and all grunt 377 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:35,810 and that's just one poor old dog boys 378 00:18:04,780 --> 00:17:51,160 yes getting on more Christmas cards than 379 00:18:06,790 --> 00:18:04,790 I did so where are we we job well I 380 00:18:08,620 --> 00:18:06,800 think he's still looking for it I know 381 00:18:11,850 --> 00:18:08,630 he's still looking into the scientific 382 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:11,860 part of it trying to find them you know 383 00:18:17,170 --> 00:18:13,910 trying to find it what happened really 384 00:18:18,490 --> 00:18:17,180 and and but I think you'll find he's 385 00:18:20,380 --> 00:18:18,500 gonna keep his head down for a little 386 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:20,390 while I mean there's lots there's lots 387 00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,110 going on and I think he said he's 388 00:18:29,620 --> 00:18:26,480 realized that the best way to deal with 389 00:18:34,060 --> 00:18:29,630 it is not by getting on Facebook and 390 00:18:36,220 --> 00:18:34,070 have no eyebrows he's try meditation as 391 00:18:39,940 --> 00:18:36,230 a way to get unlock what's happened to 392 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:39,950 him so and I think you know he's getting 393 00:18:45,910 --> 00:18:42,740 some peace from that at least I know 394 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:45,920 he's helping other people who's who were 395 00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:48,620 affected by the the incidents that 396 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:01,760 renders him so I mean that's what it 397 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:03,650 said so there you go 398 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:05,870 I mean that wasn't easy a lot of people 399 00:19:10,780 --> 00:19:08,330 go involved with getting that settlement 400 00:19:13,660 --> 00:19:10,790 and maybe some of the listeners don't 401 00:19:15,330 --> 00:19:13,670 realize that and and General Gordon when 402 00:19:19,900 --> 00:19:15,340 Williams who just passed away recently 403 00:19:22,570 --> 00:19:19,910 even really and in this support I know 404 00:19:24,610 --> 00:19:22,580 Colonel Holt did as well so and you know 405 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:24,620 there's a lot of people stood up to the 406 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:27,770 plate helped him get it but I think he 407 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:29,330 pushed the right buttons and ask the 408 00:19:34,690 --> 00:19:31,250 right questions maybe they knew that 409 00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:34,700 John went on a go away and I think he 410 00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:40,130 holds them how can I say this I think 411 00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:42,260 they need more at John and watch on 412 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:43,880 these at the end I think they needed to 413 00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:53,940 I mean isn't that I think she nice if 414 00:20:02,340 --> 00:19:55,270 you're gonna pay somebody for damage 415 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:02,350 done yeah yeah I didn't think I'm so 416 00:20:06,450 --> 00:20:04,690 much him the the money settlement he 417 00:20:11,340 --> 00:20:06,460 needs a treatment and you need to quit 418 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:11,350 John was dying he was some when he went 419 00:20:15,330 --> 00:20:13,690 down to and that was when Gordon 420 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:15,340 Williams went to see him not the day 421 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,310 before he had his surgery I mean he 422 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:21,520 weren't expected to make it yeah I mean 423 00:20:26,490 --> 00:20:23,320 yeah hit the valves in his heart were 424 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:26,500 completely absolutely shot away and I 425 00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:27,820 mean he's not a hundred cent 426 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:32,500 well no but he's still you know pretty 427 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:34,570 pretty fitting the like when we saw him 428 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:51,460 especially but I was backing the idea 429 00:21:00,030 --> 00:20:56,370 you know I was absolutely incorrect in 430 00:21:02,430 --> 00:21:00,040 this in my stance on what was going on 431 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:02,440 you know some people could say it's none 432 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:04,990 of my business but yeah it's none of 433 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:06,940 anybody's business really is it that so 434 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:09,760 many people are looking at it I don't 435 00:21:16,380 --> 00:21:12,130 know I mean so in the middle of it all 436 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:16,390 really well I guess with believing in 437 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:18,520 Larry Warren and believe in his version 438 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:20,620 of events so it's gonna get everybody's 439 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:22,060 backup because they all knew that it 440 00:21:25,770 --> 00:21:22,690 wasn't 441 00:21:27,540 --> 00:21:25,780 yeah and we can understand that no 442 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:27,550 slasher but I mean I was with you when 443 00:21:31,410 --> 00:21:29,230 Larry Warren we were as biggest 444 00:21:33,060 --> 00:21:31,420 supporters no two ways about that and I 445 00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,070 did I did because I believed everything 446 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:35,440 was in lefties game you know I like 447 00:21:39,390 --> 00:21:37,300 Peter Robbins very much I like Larry 448 00:21:41,910 --> 00:21:39,400 very much you know I thought it was a 449 00:21:43,860 --> 00:21:41,920 great person you know I know different 450 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:43,870 now yes in there there's a side of him I 451 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:47,080 wouldn't monster you know it's not so 452 00:21:53,340 --> 00:21:50,710 you know but we believed in and you know 453 00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:53,350 I come here to her head with John and 454 00:21:58,710 --> 00:21:57,190 Jim I suppose I was a good friend of 455 00:22:01,250 --> 00:21:58,720 Jim's at one time I suppose that's 456 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:01,260 because I supported Larry Warren and ask 457 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:04,300 questions you know or support him that 458 00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:06,070 our friendship ended you know which is 459 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:07,900 just one of them sad things intifada 460 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:11,590 again and he did recognize that I knew 461 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:15,820 quite a bit about Rendlesham and know 462 00:22:21,540 --> 00:22:19,990 they again we can't you know live in the 463 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:21,550 past then I think you've done a good job 464 00:22:26,670 --> 00:22:23,830 of debunking the Larry one store if 465 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:26,680 anyone believe it now you know after all 466 00:22:30,060 --> 00:22:28,210 the evidence you've piled them for 467 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:30,070 people to say there's no evidence wrong 468 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:37,420 I just that's just crazy I mean any any 469 00:22:41,460 --> 00:22:39,460 film you know my 16 year old daughter 470 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:41,470 read through your blog and said my 471 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:43,930 choice and people are still saying no 472 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:54,250 that they believe him gary has some time 473 00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,710 keep saying it's my it's just opinion 474 00:23:03,120 --> 00:22:58,960 there's no evidence it's not opinion at 475 00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:03,130 all it's his him yeah endless videos and 476 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:05,460 the snippets of radio shows and 477 00:23:13,770 --> 00:23:09,220 conference talks of him speaking and 478 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:13,780 saying different opinions so the moment 479 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:16,360 I realized that things weren't right was 480 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:18,610 the moment when Larry Warren starts 481 00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:21,130 lying about me because you know yourself 482 00:23:25,020 --> 00:23:22,480 what the truth is don't you about 483 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:25,030 yourself and when people start doing 484 00:23:31,770 --> 00:23:29,050 public and lying bare face line you 485 00:23:33,420 --> 00:23:31,780 think well if you can lie about that how 486 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:33,430 do I know he lied about that and that 487 00:23:36,259 --> 00:23:35,230 and that and that and that made me 488 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:36,269 really start 489 00:23:40,959 --> 00:23:37,830 looking in and I think we both started 490 00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:40,969 digging at the same time and and and 491 00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:43,559 things come to light then don't he well 492 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:45,389 this don't add up that don't add up and 493 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:47,849 cuz we're a public enemy number one then 494 00:23:54,949 --> 00:23:49,229 because I mean he picked on the wrong 495 00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:54,959 team I mean I would fall fairly in 496 00:24:05,539 --> 00:23:58,080 session because I know that something 497 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:05,549 you get your teeth into it and he was 498 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:07,289 going on radio shows saying that 499 00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:09,659 obviously sploagie he'd met on internet 500 00:24:15,019 --> 00:24:12,539 Nick he didn't know me and yet a few 501 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:15,029 months before he was in reducer he 502 00:24:20,329 --> 00:24:18,809 wanted me to be M introduced filmed he 503 00:24:22,269 --> 00:24:20,339 wanted to introduced me to film 504 00:24:25,009 --> 00:24:22,279 producers because he was worried that 505 00:24:27,859 --> 00:24:25,019 Peter Robbins would mess things up and 506 00:24:31,699 --> 00:24:27,869 he was introduced he wanted me to be on 507 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:31,709 their their set of them TV documentaries 508 00:24:36,829 --> 00:24:33,929 and he wanted me to be there and then 509 00:24:38,810 --> 00:24:36,839 all of a sudden he's saying but cuz the 510 00:24:40,999 --> 00:24:38,820 thing what brought all extra head push 511 00:24:42,769 --> 00:24:41,009 because like after I helped him I lent 512 00:25:03,399 --> 00:24:42,779 you money and they come a time when I 513 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:09,099 yeah when we had to chase him around 514 00:25:21,549 --> 00:25:18,690 because and we were about to be left 515 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:21,559 with no TV no internet and no telephone 516 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:25,289 because of him here you know if he said 517 00:25:29,899 --> 00:25:27,089 he was gonna pay for it we would have 518 00:25:40,609 --> 00:25:29,909 got the money together for it but he was 519 00:25:41,659 --> 00:25:40,619 alright now you know yeah well I don't 520 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:41,669 think I was the only one that he 521 00:25:46,009 --> 00:25:44,190 borrowed money off but I thought he was 522 00:25:48,069 --> 00:25:46,019 my friend you know and not linking money 523 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:48,079 in the past and got it back eventually 524 00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:50,070 but this time that 525 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:51,750 on a year and he'd made no attempt to 526 00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:54,630 pay a penny back at all then I got word 527 00:25:59,540 --> 00:25:57,480 that he'd sold some memorabilia and that 528 00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:59,550 he had wads of cash and I felt right I'm 529 00:26:03,650 --> 00:26:00,900 going after it now and that's from that 530 00:26:05,450 --> 00:26:03,660 moment on when I I got it back 531 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:05,460 he paid it in the bank on which the next 532 00:26:11,390 --> 00:26:08,520 day so he had the money but was from 533 00:26:14,780 --> 00:26:11,400 that moment on all the vile texts and 534 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:14,790 messages and stuff started saying there 535 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:17,460 you go if you know father lost that 536 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:18,810 money that would have been a small price 537 00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:21,450 and price to pay to know what sort of 538 00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:44,430 person he was but you know because my 539 00:27:02,930 --> 00:26:47,190 dad has PTSD from actual combat and 540 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:02,940 actually getting shot yeah well cause 541 00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:04,890 see the thing is in 1980 542 00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:08,430 you could you could say anything 1983 543 00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:10,230 you never dubs new Internet 544 00:27:15,650 --> 00:27:12,660 there's no way checking up on things you 545 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,660 know but then this marvelous thing came 546 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,000 out called the World Wide Web all of a 547 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:20,880 sudden everything's checkable and people 548 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:23,130 become public you know and so all these 549 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,610 names they banded about of a sudden like 550 00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:29,880 you're able to check with them and then 551 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:31,710 you find things aren't quite right you 552 00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,370 know and once you start digging the hole 553 00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:36,960 for yourself that's a job to get out of 554 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,950 [Music] 555 00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,750 okay you think pastors weapons training 556 00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:56,799 because he was morning to steeple plume 557 00:28:01,049 --> 00:27:59,590 about having disability in his wrist so 558 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:01,059 why would that come on 559 00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:03,010 how would that you know come about would 560 00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:04,960 it can you from trying to fire weapon 561 00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:06,640 and you just can't do it because you 562 00:28:12,269 --> 00:28:09,309 crack but you're not going to admit to 563 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:12,279 it still it can't be that you just not 564 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:13,630 good at it and you can't be bothered to 565 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:15,730 practice and get good at it it's gonna 566 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,020 be something wrong 567 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:20,080 you know there's because that's what 568 00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,490 he's like unique it's never his fault so 569 00:28:27,630 --> 00:28:26,080 steeple overseeing them that seeing dr. 570 00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,640 Eccles about his wrist 571 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:30,640 I just think well I think these wagon is 572 00:28:35,159 --> 00:28:33,340 in this man he couldn't fire his weapon 573 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:35,169 so I didn't pass weapons training so he 574 00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:36,970 probably never was on do you think 575 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:40,480 and if listen to militia when they 576 00:28:47,970 --> 00:28:43,630 fought it out from his own words his 577 00:28:50,669 --> 00:28:47,980 time line even been on duty so this one 578 00:28:53,549 --> 00:28:50,679 no no I mean the thing is well it would 579 00:28:54,990 --> 00:28:53,559 left at Eastgate such a they had 17 580 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:55,000 years to get your story straight 581 00:29:00,330 --> 00:28:57,970 and within that 17 years North a lot of 582 00:29:02,669 --> 00:29:00,340 information came eight a lot came out 583 00:29:04,019 --> 00:29:02,679 from UK investigators that was bounded 584 00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:04,029 backwards and thoughts to the state 585 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:07,720 through an greenwood enforcer so the 586 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:11,679 story was able to revolve so by the time 587 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,250 left east they came out and which i 588 00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:16,960 think that took him over 10 years turn 589 00:29:21,779 --> 00:29:19,840 to get the birth of a guy he should have 590 00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,789 got his story straight and he's failed 591 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,039 at the first jump 592 00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:25,990 according to left at Eastgate on the 593 00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,399 morning of the 28th he they came back 594 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:32,559 from Germany on the 27th on the morning 595 00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:33,610 of the 28th 596 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:35,529 he went to hips which town and then 597 00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:38,620 there's absolutely cock-and-bull story 598 00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,320 about how he went to ax music and argued 599 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:43,840 with the Arab owner over a Marshall 600 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:47,049 amplifier and the whole story and it's 601 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:49,450 just a put him in there in the place you 602 00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:51,250 got member by the time that book was 603 00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,190 written the halt memo was out and what 604 00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:56,590 date did they have in in there for halts 605 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:00,880 and was the 27th weren't it it was so he 606 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:04,720 messed up he I think he changed the 607 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:06,550 story to fit in with out 608 00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,390 um yeah well because when he was talking 609 00:30:15,630 --> 00:30:13,120 to faceting Greenwood he said virtually 610 00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,640 every everyone thought I'm just the 30th 611 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:17,220 I mean if you look at all the early 612 00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:19,930 documentation in the early articles that 613 00:30:24,390 --> 00:30:22,420 were written the Omni article and 614 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:24,400 everything there was no one was really 615 00:30:28,650 --> 00:30:26,710 sure of the dates worthy they would um I 616 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,660 think once someone say a date and 617 00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:30,880 another one copies it you know one word 618 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:32,350 like in the Omni magazine 619 00:30:37,470 --> 00:30:35,500 Jenny Randall's put in there and in the 620 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Flying Saucer reviews there is so then 621 00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:41,050 Yami bashira he he writes the 30th and 622 00:30:45,330 --> 00:30:42,790 next thing you know that's cuz no one 623 00:30:47,700 --> 00:30:45,340 was really certain I mean what Larry 624 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:47,710 said in the early days I was near to New 625 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:50,650 Year's and models for Christmas so but 626 00:30:54,090 --> 00:30:52,450 then you've got the story which we found 627 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:54,100 out to be untrue because we researched 628 00:30:59,790 --> 00:30:56,410 that well and we found a bloke who and 629 00:31:01,530 --> 00:30:59,800 acts music and they won't never open on 630 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:01,540 the son he never did in fact Sunday 631 00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:04,690 trading was illegal till 1994 he there 632 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:06,820 was definitely no Arab for owner and he 633 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,310 didn't haggle they remember and they did 634 00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,440 sell Marshall amplifiers but there 635 00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:13,840 weren't on Church Street anyway and the 636 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:15,340 shop on Church Street just sold records 637 00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:18,010 so that was a lie weren't it that story 638 00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:20,830 was a lie to put him in that and to make 639 00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:23,590 his story believable and that's what he 640 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:26,440 does he's a good talker convinces people 641 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:31,120 I mean talk about a good liar I mean it 642 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:33,670 rolls off his tongue and you're well it 643 00:31:37,980 --> 00:31:34,690 must be true 644 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,990 you know and people say story never 645 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:40,000 changed well they ain't reading the same 646 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:45,970 information I am well if you read the 647 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:49,210 book that's all bull Zinta I know but 648 00:31:55,650 --> 00:31:51,070 the best thing that I found recently 649 00:32:00,930 --> 00:31:55,660 wears him saying move on 2010 things 650 00:32:02,460 --> 00:32:00,940 that and there was no no handshake there 651 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:02,470 was no communication with daily 652 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:05,050 especially didn't cry after this he flew 653 00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,170 away and you know I know and he said and 654 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:10,240 all that stuff that's yet because I 655 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:12,280 didn't know and then he says no 656 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:14,650 a chapter in the book about all the 657 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:16,410 underground base all the enemies 658 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:18,010 everything that it was said 659 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:23,410 telepathically all of it yeah yeah I 660 00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,050 mean it does that and I don't know does 661 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:28,240 he hope that people don't look to the 662 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:31,210 discrepancies I mean look at look at the 663 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:35,470 lies he's told about MIT's hell again I 664 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:38,170 co-signed Metallica a half-million he 665 00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:40,810 said it and then when he gets cool oh I 666 00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:42,910 meant it as a joke well no one they 667 00:32:47,970 --> 00:32:46,240 thought I was a joke that's not just 668 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:47,980 that I said one thing after another I 669 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:49,450 mean you can go on forever talking about 670 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:51,610 the discrepancies in lies that people 671 00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:55,210 should really wake up and I mean I 672 00:33:01,740 --> 00:32:58,240 wasted a lot of years on this research 673 00:33:14,790 --> 00:33:01,750 because I believed every word you know I 674 00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:14,800 was duped no you're right and you know 675 00:33:29,490 --> 00:33:27,420 because you know if we didn't know him I 676 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:29,500 know I always spawn Peter out because 677 00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:32,020 he's always he's noisiest full of 678 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:35,200 misdirection and the way that he creates 679 00:33:39,510 --> 00:33:37,810 these dramas he said something somebody 680 00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:39,520 so it is mom and nobody said anything 681 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:41,470 about his mommy was the only person that 682 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:43,570 mentioned his mom I know he's tried that 683 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:45,400 one on me yeah sure he tried to say that 684 00:33:49,770 --> 00:33:47,650 I said something about his father I when 685 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:49,780 I was come making a comment about my 686 00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,810 father I said at least my father went to 687 00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:55,840 his grave knowing that you know it 688 00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,980 starts to spread to the truth and he are 689 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:01,600 all words that I think I can't remember 690 00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:03,940 exactly he twisted it to say that was 691 00:34:07,050 --> 00:34:05,470 still hidin him don't know nothing about 692 00:34:07,980 --> 00:34:07,060 his father I'm not interested in his 693 00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:07,990 family at all 694 00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:09,820 I won't haven't go and that's the last 695 00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:11,830 thing I do is bring people's family into 696 00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:14,980 because I'm there for that and you know 697 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:24,640 like a ball it's you know that he goes 698 00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,580 on about holding these aviators yeah so 699 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:36,800 he says that he sees him when he's 700 00:34:41,500 --> 00:34:38,420 coming out on the field that was a 701 00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:41,510 standard narrative in that fire little 702 00:34:47,650 --> 00:34:45,140 yeah 2015 he said he came out with the 703 00:34:51,450 --> 00:34:47,660 field with Adrian and that is where the 704 00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:51,460 minute you saw Holt in his aviators and 705 00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:54,470 that is when Adrian went off with John 706 00:34:58,300 --> 00:34:56,390 and Holt and went off to there but in 707 00:35:00,580 --> 00:34:58,310 the forest and he went back to the 708 00:35:02,740 --> 00:35:00,590 barracks so that's like how far in the 709 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:02,750 morning before only that's when he's 710 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:07,490 placing John Chuck and Adrian going 711 00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,290 office right we know that what tech 712 00:35:15,790 --> 00:35:12,160 finishes about her posture yeah so it's 713 00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,800 in but it kind of elaborated on that to 714 00:35:20,290 --> 00:35:18,320 kinda because everyone's saying well how 715 00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:20,300 could Adrian have been doing that 716 00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:23,180 we're with you when he was actually over 717 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,990 there with Carol huddle so he's dated a 718 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:28,400 new bit but he still doesn't make any 719 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,410 sense because he's making that new bit 720 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:32,480 to get Adrian back into the field 721 00:35:39,310 --> 00:35:36,650 yeah but but he's realizing the fact 722 00:35:42,580 --> 00:35:39,320 that none of us watch everything he does 723 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:42,590 listens to every single word he says you 724 00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,470 know this some see there probably is the 725 00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:56,000 problem probably will at some stage come 726 00:35:59,800 --> 00:35:57,440 out that there was more than the three 727 00:36:01,570 --> 00:35:59,810 nights that we know about I mean we know 728 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:01,580 those incidents happen and all over that 729 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:13,970 week anyway but I think probably um come 730 00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:16,850 to light that there was another incident 731 00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:19,640 involving avian bust in there because 732 00:36:23,650 --> 00:36:21,380 I've looked at is them now it's have 733 00:36:25,540 --> 00:36:23,660 over and over again and you can't be in 734 00:36:28,330 --> 00:36:25,550 two places at one time I know he's 735 00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:28,340 confused about certain timelines from 736 00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:29,240 pieces like that 737 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:31,070 and I have sent in my timeline and he 738 00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:34,730 says yeah they you've got it you know 739 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:36,180 that's how I remember it 740 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:39,450 everything on those is right but you 741 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:41,369 can't be in two places at once so either 742 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:43,800 another incident happened earlier in the 743 00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,960 day which there is a possibility Larry 744 00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:51,300 Warren could have been involved in that 745 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:53,849 some stage low he says he wasn't Adrian 746 00:36:57,890 --> 00:36:55,770 says he wasn't involved in this incident 747 00:37:01,700 --> 00:36:57,900 or there could have been another day 748 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:01,710 later maybe the 30th or or even after 749 00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,800 that that involved them and but because 750 00:37:07,940 --> 00:37:06,359 their minds have been messed with the 751 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:07,950 way to ins mind has been messed for so 752 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:09,900 much as difficult to get to the bottom 753 00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:11,849 of it and that's a completely different 754 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:14,220 scenario and that's not a new that's not 755 00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:16,170 a new story Adrian's come up with that's 756 00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,859 the the story that he told Georgina back 757 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:22,200 in the day and that was where he came 758 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:24,930 back from Woodbridge based not Bennett 759 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:27,180 was basically been to click titles and 760 00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:28,800 he came back and he found some men 761 00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:31,079 surrounding a craft in the Claire and 762 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:33,089 not in couple greenfield wood farms 763 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:35,010 field wherever you want to call in the 764 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,230 clearing in the woods and one of the 765 00:37:40,819 --> 00:37:39,000 remarks was that he couldn't understand 766 00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:40,829 those such a big craft landed in such a 767 00:37:46,099 --> 00:37:43,380 small space we know that wasn't in cap 768 00:37:50,299 --> 00:37:46,109 of green now this is the time when he 769 00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:50,309 saw the mist on the floor the soldiers 770 00:37:56,539 --> 00:37:53,339 were surrounding it and when and that 771 00:38:00,920 --> 00:37:56,549 was when he was asked by Colonel help 772 00:38:03,010 --> 00:38:00,930 will deny this happened and he was told 773 00:38:06,770 --> 00:38:03,020 by Colonel Hall to confiscate some 774 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:06,780 cameras of some British nationals and he 775 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:08,490 said at one time he thought that might 776 00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:10,410 be Larry Warren but now he's saying 777 00:38:15,260 --> 00:38:12,720 wasn't now he can't remember was it 778 00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:15,270 Larry maybe Larry put in his head that 779 00:38:21,890 --> 00:38:19,230 there was him and but that incident 780 00:38:24,849 --> 00:38:21,900 could well have happened because that is 781 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:24,859 the probably the only instance where 782 00:38:31,460 --> 00:38:28,170 apart from Jim and John's small 7 by 8 783 00:38:36,859 --> 00:38:31,470 foot craft this craft is 30 foot in 784 00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:36,869 diameter and that's the only instance 785 00:38:42,109 --> 00:38:38,790 where that sounds anything like the 786 00:38:48,260 --> 00:38:42,119 instance that Larry's stolen putting 787 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:50,790 no that's not what we're seeing with 788 00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:54,400 sorry I said if they didn't see that 789 00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:56,920 when they were out with halts no non 790 00:39:01,860 --> 00:38:59,500 Holtz naic no completely different so 791 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,870 was there another night or did something 792 00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:04,000 happen earlier in the day we're not sure 793 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:05,920 because we know that earlier in the day 794 00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:10,060 great Bart rooms they were on days they 795 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:11,620 were sent out into the forest to 796 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:13,720 investigate some lights and if you 797 00:39:18,510 --> 00:39:16,210 remember he reported seeing the green 798 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:18,520 mist and this these bright lights in the 799 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:20,440 middle of it and they got scared and 800 00:39:24,990 --> 00:39:21,970 done a runner and as they coming out 801 00:39:27,590 --> 00:39:25,000 they bump into lieutenant England and 802 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:27,600 bust Inza who were then in a jeep and 803 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:30,490 England sent them back to their back to 804 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:32,530 the base was that the incident what 805 00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:34,120 happened there or did it happen before 806 00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,580 or after we I don't think we were ever 807 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:38,320 going to know unless more people come 808 00:39:43,890 --> 00:39:40,890 forward only one clue I found and that 809 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:43,900 was on a really early radio show called 810 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:47,170 Suffolk daily and on that radio was an 811 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:50,650 at a young friend of Butler young Jane 812 00:39:58,020 --> 00:39:53,020 Randall's and joining them from the 813 00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:58,030 Manchester studio was Harry Harris and 814 00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:59,350 was the manchester-based them 815 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,300 investigator we've done a lot of the 816 00:40:05,130 --> 00:40:03,040 early work on this and probably the 817 00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:05,140 person was responsible for getting in 818 00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:06,990 the news of the world in the first place 819 00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:12,750 no Gerry he read a load of questions 820 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:15,460 that he had asked Colonel Holt and 821 00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:17,290 Colonel halt if replied to him by letter 822 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:22,320 and he read demo and one of their 823 00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:27,070 answers was at one time we surrounded a 824 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:30,340 craft we tried to get in it and on it 825 00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:33,370 but it avoided us and then that says 826 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:35,080 something about when that take took off 827 00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:38,170 took off in there you know like a cold 828 00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:40,660 air or something like that but you don't 829 00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:42,700 hear anything about that from Colonel 830 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:47,020 Holt nowadays but that's exactly what 831 00:40:54,300 --> 00:40:51,070 Laurie said when he was in that early 832 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:54,310 interview he's saying that they followed 833 00:41:04,980 --> 00:40:55,060 it 834 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:04,990 well that's [\h__\h] stolen from everywhere 835 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:07,710 but that bits always intrigued me and 836 00:41:13,940 --> 00:41:10,360 because of their they surrounded a craft 837 00:41:16,770 --> 00:41:13,950 named Hadrian says that he told and 838 00:41:19,110 --> 00:41:16,780 Larry Warren the full story the very 839 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:19,120 next day I'm least gone on the record 840 00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:21,610 recently saying that and Larry make this 841 00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:23,440 big thing about they never spoke to him 842 00:41:29,790 --> 00:41:26,200 until April which I find really hard to 843 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:29,800 believe and do you know he tells us yarn 844 00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:34,030 about how Cindy Shultz one egg Liam's 845 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:35,980 girlfriend put a piece of paper under 846 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:37,180 the door saying they didn't want to 847 00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:40,210 speak to him well I didn't smoke to him 848 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,990 that very next day and he says he told 849 00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:46,000 him everything and he says that he 850 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:48,460 remembered everything so clearly that he 851 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:50,860 suspects that Larry tape taped the whole 852 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:52,930 thing for him to be able to remember 853 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,090 everything like that now was this one of 854 00:42:33,780 --> 00:41:58,480 the stories that he told Larry and Larry 855 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:33,790 elaborated on know maybe when surrounded 856 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:36,730 maybe that happened after right because 857 00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:40,150 if you look deep into it Sasha 858 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,060 once that incident happened there is a 859 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:46,720 part where lieutenant recalled people 860 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:49,090 from the dorms and they recalled people 861 00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:50,650 bank so they could have been people in 862 00:42:56,010 --> 00:42:53,590 who were not on shift and maybe that was 863 00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:56,020 when that was surrounded who know who 864 00:43:00,780 --> 00:42:58,630 knows but when the guy when the guys ran 865 00:43:03,330 --> 00:43:00,790 from the forest there was only four or 866 00:43:05,970 --> 00:43:03,340 five of him that I think they were on 867 00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:05,980 them on they were on days anyway they 868 00:43:08,819 --> 00:43:07,600 did they didn't they didn't normally 869 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:08,829 they wouldn't normally 870 00:43:18,989 --> 00:43:17,380 pending today but because on then they'd 871 00:43:20,849 --> 00:43:18,999 get called up yeah that was one of the 872 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:20,859 reasons when the day crew would get 873 00:43:34,499 --> 00:43:31,690 called up we've cracked it completely 874 00:43:36,329 --> 00:43:34,509 yet and I think maybe little bits and 875 00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:36,339 pieces someone else will come forward 876 00:43:57,150 --> 00:43:54,700 who remembers it kinda gives you an idea 877 00:44:00,239 --> 00:43:57,160 what went on you just know that he's 878 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:00,249 taken what he's saying from someone else 879 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:01,690 so it's kind of with the Barrett 880 00:44:05,009 --> 00:44:02,650 Greenwood fire 881 00:44:07,259 --> 00:44:05,019 yeah and it's various other things it's 882 00:44:09,959 --> 00:44:07,269 by kicking thing oh oh actually that's 883 00:44:12,959 --> 00:44:09,969 where that's for almond and if we 884 00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:12,969 listened intently to everything in 885 00:44:17,099 --> 00:44:14,680 criminological Arda that he'd ever done 886 00:44:19,380 --> 00:44:17,109 we will be able to figure out when he 887 00:44:21,180 --> 00:44:19,390 started to say the e problems with his 888 00:44:26,130 --> 00:44:21,190 Harry's and when he started to say that 889 00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:26,140 yeah yeah yeah yeah that's just so 890 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:36,910 laborious and tedious and to say let's 891 00:44:42,059 --> 00:44:39,430 you know listen to every single thing 892 00:44:43,769 --> 00:44:42,069 he's ever said such a job as a job to 893 00:44:45,989 --> 00:44:43,779 get people to listen to just the main 894 00:44:48,809 --> 00:44:45,999 now it's a vinter without going into all 895 00:44:51,930 --> 00:44:48,819 the twists and turns but then the 896 00:44:53,789 --> 00:44:51,940 Greenwood files brilliant if you looking 897 00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:53,799 to them because you look at some of the 898 00:44:58,109 --> 00:44:56,440 names that he gave Larry foster in the 899 00:44:59,999 --> 00:44:58,119 early days these are the names that he 900 00:45:02,459 --> 00:45:00,009 gave them people who were involved in 901 00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:02,469 this incident right yeah 902 00:45:12,689 --> 00:45:05,279 Austin's a spot it wrong but busting Sir 903 00:45:17,130 --> 00:45:12,699 John Burroughs Bobby bore Moulton 904 00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:17,140 Ziegler you know none of the people were 905 00:45:21,299 --> 00:45:19,390 there foot resistant that he says 906 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:21,309 happened on Capitol green they were all 907 00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:22,450 involved 908 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:26,710 on stage but they think and he says it 909 00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:28,510 didn't even know they were so how would 910 00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,380 he know who they were 911 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:31,839 I'm not tell you there's one other thing 912 00:45:35,550 --> 00:45:34,210 you want to look at and when you look at 913 00:45:38,190 --> 00:45:35,560 the photographs so these are the 914 00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:38,200 photographs that Larry Warren and gave 915 00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:41,380 to Barry Greenwood and when they were 916 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:44,560 gonna write a book together another look 917 00:45:50,970 --> 00:45:48,160 at the photographs of where the land and 918 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:50,980 why he says the land and stages are or 919 00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:53,650 the land and area and one of the areas 920 00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:55,750 that he gives us the land an area then 921 00:45:59,790 --> 00:45:57,820 none of them look like apple green but 922 00:46:03,650 --> 00:45:59,800 the one there's one on there which is 923 00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:03,660 right over the far side of there the 924 00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:08,109 farmer's field right past the cottages 925 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:10,180 and past the gamekeepers cards what they 926 00:46:14,849 --> 00:46:12,130 call the farmers college and there's a 927 00:46:16,589 --> 00:46:14,859 peel a small little clearing where 928 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:16,599 something could have happened and that 929 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:19,450 was right outside but Lee Abby you have 930 00:46:24,109 --> 00:46:21,310 look at them focused this photographs of 931 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:24,119 it and that's written on the back Landen 932 00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:27,010 suspected landing area so he was looking 933 00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:28,240 for the land in there he didn't know 934 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:40,270 where it was if he did it an instance 935 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:43,690 where we're told that and cooki picked 936 00:46:47,339 --> 00:46:45,910 some airman up and I always thought for 937 00:46:50,190 --> 00:46:47,349 it to work that had to be in that area 938 00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:50,200 somewhere so did you get that from her 939 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:51,400 or from someone else 940 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:53,770 that's something happened there and that 941 00:46:59,550 --> 00:46:57,490 is where I think Adrian that would make 942 00:47:01,740 --> 00:46:59,560 sense that Adrian and Johnson can 943 00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:01,750 happened in that clearing there because 944 00:47:06,809 --> 00:47:03,940 there is a small clearing that's big 945 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:06,819 enough to get there 30 foot crafting not 946 00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,390 much more and also yeah that you could 947 00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:11,920 be collected from the road day because 948 00:47:19,319 --> 00:47:15,630 the road runs through the back there and 949 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:19,329 the point I was gonna make oh yeah and 950 00:47:24,089 --> 00:47:21,970 that would be if if Colonel Hall and his 951 00:47:26,579 --> 00:47:24,099 crew had gone over to the second 952 00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:26,589 farmer's field right and this is where 953 00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:28,960 to be maleic come down they would have 954 00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:30,369 made their way back through there and 955 00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:33,190 that would be the ideal place and I 956 00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:36,190 can't see John Burroughs and the 957 00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:37,869 people who lose whether I've been named 958 00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:40,030 I'm just standing there waiting that 959 00:47:44,430 --> 00:47:42,760 that that that meeting place where the 960 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:44,440 trucks were they would probably walked 961 00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,089 across the field to see where what was 962 00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:49,119 going on I wonder if that might be I 963 00:47:54,270 --> 00:47:51,310 mean maybe one day a dream will come 964 00:47:55,890 --> 00:47:54,280 over I mean if he do come over that 965 00:47:59,339 --> 00:47:55,900 probably won't be announced and that 966 00:48:01,170 --> 00:47:59,349 probably won't be and conference or 967 00:48:04,589 --> 00:48:01,180 anything like that but he needs to walk 968 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:04,599 the walk and and he needs to know and so 969 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:07,930 did John oh that's my you have looked at 970 00:48:30,839 --> 00:48:09,730 him photographs that's my favorite place 971 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:30,849 where I think it could be and you know 972 00:48:36,059 --> 00:48:33,400 what the strange thing is Sashi 973 00:48:39,089 --> 00:48:36,069 that is a real part that really is 974 00:48:40,829 --> 00:48:39,099 Capitol green the farmer's field isn't 975 00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:40,839 Capitol green that's the settlement on 976 00:48:44,819 --> 00:48:43,000 the other side of the road and to the 977 00:48:46,530 --> 00:48:44,829 right of the but Lee Abbey but that is 978 00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:46,540 Capitol green it's a settlement and that 979 00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:49,480 was an as an old Iron Age settlement and 980 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:51,160 they're surrounded by streams they've 981 00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,690 actually new tributaries the main movie 982 00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:54,880 years ago and that was the that was the 983 00:48:57,780 --> 00:48:56,200 settlement there was another settlement 984 00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:57,790 on the right-hand side of where the 985 00:49:01,440 --> 00:48:59,530 finger trees in the farmer's field on 986 00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:01,450 the right hand side but that was the 987 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:04,240 main the main settlement and that is 988 00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:17,770 capital bring yeah yeah that'sthat's 989 00:49:21,540 --> 00:49:19,599 never know there was never known as 990 00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:21,550 capital green until after 1980 if you 991 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:23,800 look on all the mats Kapil Green is on 992 00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:26,290 the other side of the road that is an 993 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:28,060 area and if you keep going up from 994 00:49:33,870 --> 00:49:31,930 Calgary and you come to that the hill 995 00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:33,880 where John Burroughs ended up on that 996 00:49:39,089 --> 00:49:36,550 night and that's called borough Hill and 997 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:39,099 locals sometimes refer to it as bearing 998 00:49:43,530 --> 00:49:41,530 mound that's borough Hill and not done 999 00:49:45,990 --> 00:49:43,540 some research on that recently and that 1000 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:46,000 turns out that that is an angel 1001 00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:47,440 well that was an island years ago and 1002 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:49,750 there was a causeway what went from the 1003 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:50,050 Abbey 1004 00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:52,180 but still you still say it's a straight 1005 00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:54,340 road on the map cause waiting me Abby to 1006 00:50:01,320 --> 00:49:56,920 them the mound and this is Wade because 1007 00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:01,330 in 1982 there was a archeological dig 1008 00:50:07,650 --> 00:50:03,910 there and they uncovered two hundred 1009 00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:07,660 male bodies on that mound yeah 200 male 1010 00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:09,940 bodies and there's a few other weird 1011 00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:11,640 things what happened Oh as well but 1012 00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,710 200-mile bodies no children no women so 1013 00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:17,440 that was probably the last big battle in 1014 00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:25,560 because they were um they were 1015 00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:28,750 accelerating travel from there to use in 1016 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:32,200 the roadways and there's a type of tray 1017 00:50:36,510 --> 00:50:33,850 there they call it red Clegg or 1018 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:36,520 something and but you know where all 1019 00:50:43,110 --> 00:50:41,290 that gravel went to and probably why 1020 00:50:44,820 --> 00:50:43,120 there's an awful lot of activity in the 1021 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:44,830 forest made that went to make the 1022 00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:48,130 forestry tracks up you know when you 1023 00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,350 hear about track ten track twelve track 1024 00:50:55,770 --> 00:50:52,960 a that's where or went there and also 1025 00:50:58,410 --> 00:50:55,780 that's very high in them caught the 1026 00:51:01,140 --> 00:50:58,420 stone and that comes out of there and 1027 00:51:19,820 --> 00:51:01,150 you know quartz was just like a 1028 00:51:28,290 --> 00:51:19,830 conductor of energy in one picture where 1029 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:28,300 Brenda's friend Jean yeah yeah yeah does 1030 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:31,450 yeah it's definitely not Jean that was 1031 00:51:36,330 --> 00:51:34,720 where yes in some ways Scott I know and 1032 00:51:37,770 --> 00:51:36,340 luckily from that Minister go there on 1033 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:37,780 my own I must have been mad I wouldn't 1034 00:51:42,030 --> 00:51:38,410 do it now 1035 00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,040 but they were there a lot on my own and 1036 00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,920 walk the tracks until I ain't one bad 1037 00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:46,240 bad thing happened then that's enough to 1038 00:51:52,260 --> 00:51:48,760 put you off for life and but I've been 1039 00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:52,270 there with Brenda and gaudy and and Bev 1040 00:51:57,270 --> 00:51:55,150 you know us Brenda Brenda Denise and 1041 00:51:59,730 --> 00:51:57,280 we've seen lights come out the ground 1042 00:52:02,980 --> 00:51:59,740 you know you're here Colonel Holt says 1043 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:02,990 that his light burst into different 1044 00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:05,810 optics and disappeared I think Lori red 1045 00:52:09,609 --> 00:52:07,150 felt said the same 1046 00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:09,619 several of the aim and have said that 1047 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:11,750 that same things happen like that 1048 00:52:16,540 --> 00:52:13,970 well we actually get and we all stood 1049 00:52:17,770 --> 00:52:16,550 there rule I can name not because 1050 00:52:19,930 --> 00:52:17,780 whatever the minds open and 1051 00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:19,940 understanding the track that leads to 1052 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:22,430 the escape from the service road and 1053 00:52:27,580 --> 00:52:24,830 Brenda said if you stay here and look 1054 00:52:30,490 --> 00:52:27,590 halfway up the track you might see a big 1055 00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:30,500 white Alba pay and we stood s there and 1056 00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:32,300 I'm watching then all of a sudden this 1057 00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,750 white light came and really really 1058 00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:38,480 bright white light and that seemed to be 1059 00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:40,040 getting bigger and smaller and bigger 1060 00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:41,750 and smaller not well is it coming 1061 00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,940 towards us and going back and so like I 1062 00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:46,160 feel I said I'll go have a look so they 1063 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:47,780 stayed back at the gate and I went and 1064 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:49,010 walked and they said they could see 1065 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:51,290 lights around me when I went towards her 1066 00:52:54,970 --> 00:52:53,660 but anyway as we got towards that you 1067 00:52:57,450 --> 00:52:54,980 couldn't see anything but they could 1068 00:52:59,950 --> 00:52:57,460 still see something I came back to the 1069 00:53:01,480 --> 00:52:59,960 the roadway and we're watching that and 1070 00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:01,490 all of a sudden that appears again and 1071 00:53:07,570 --> 00:53:05,300 that and shrunk to a tiny pinprick 1072 00:53:10,359 --> 00:53:07,580 intense white light and that bursts him 1073 00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:10,369 to I think three colors red blue and 1074 00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:13,430 green bright like a firework and shot up 1075 00:53:16,990 --> 00:53:15,920 into the heavens now that went with Iraq 1076 00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:17,000 there weren't no one down there that 1077 00:53:24,130 --> 00:53:20,150 night only us whatever that was I don't 1078 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:24,140 know but I come out the ground so wait 1079 00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:27,590 there wait [\h__\h] happens and I'm not 1080 00:53:36,849 --> 00:53:34,910 surprised the body that as well you see 1081 00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:36,859 I mean it wouldn't just I mean they 1082 00:53:40,990 --> 00:53:39,320 wouldn't excavating and for them tracks 1083 00:53:43,330 --> 00:53:41,000 long before they discovered it was 1084 00:53:46,060 --> 00:53:43,340 anything there you know that they they 1085 00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:46,070 they had to stop and they I can't 1086 00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:49,190 remember that the landowner was I think 1087 00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:52,040 it might be greener I'm not sure but 1088 00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,750 that was him who said no you know we 1089 00:53:59,290 --> 00:53:55,520 need to do this properly and they called 1090 00:54:02,770 --> 00:53:59,300 in a team to do it properly and they 1091 00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:02,780 they found evidence that there was trade 1092 00:54:06,730 --> 00:54:04,820 going on there and manufacturing and 1093 00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,740 going on there and all sorts all from 1094 00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,480 that one little hill and that's where 1095 00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:11,119 John Burroughs ended up now when John 1096 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:13,910 come over last time we walked and what 1097 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:15,170 we didn't actually walk the walk from 1098 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:17,650 the estate to there 1099 00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:20,240 we drove up to as far as you could drive 1100 00:54:24,370 --> 00:54:22,550 and then walk the last bit but from that 1101 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:24,380 hill you can overlook well you can't 1102 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:26,690 even see wood bridge from where it is 1103 00:54:33,310 --> 00:54:29,450 and we estimated that's about a two-hour 1104 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:33,320 walk to get food from there did we 1105 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:34,970 estimate it was term or well even if I'd 1106 00:54:39,100 --> 00:54:36,650 have been there now I can't remember but 1107 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:39,110 the thing is there's eight different 1108 00:54:43,870 --> 00:54:41,210 bought or cause race to get over now 1109 00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,880 John can remember getting wet but one of 1110 00:54:47,830 --> 00:54:45,920 the one of the tributary well it's a 1111 00:54:50,530 --> 00:54:47,840 tributary to the river that's almost 1112 00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,540 like a small river he would have had to 1113 00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:52,720 cross that to get a bond of that Hill 1114 00:54:58,540 --> 00:54:56,180 there's just no way in the time that he 1115 00:55:01,660 --> 00:54:58,550 wrote and I'm not David he was there he 1116 00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:01,670 was either he was there in his body or 1117 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:05,390 Epps's soul overlooking who knows but he 1118 00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:07,010 remembered everything when we went there 1119 00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:08,960 he remembered that was the view that he 1120 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:12,230 saw and if you look at at Caban SEC 1121 00:55:15,580 --> 00:55:14,690 statement as well even though I'd never 1122 00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:15,590 written a statement 1123 00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:17,300 he's never said that he wiped us in 1124 00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:20,300 there because it was a type statement it 1125 00:55:26,620 --> 00:55:23,870 couldn't type he says that they were 1126 00:55:29,830 --> 00:55:26,630 overlooking and could see that there you 1127 00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:29,840 know the beacon light so they ended up 1128 00:55:33,730 --> 00:55:31,460 there there's no way you can get there I 1129 00:55:35,530 --> 00:55:33,740 mean it's not a straight field there's 1130 00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:35,540 been drainage ditches all the way round 1131 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:36,950 out there's November so they would have 1132 00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:37,610 been full 1133 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:41,270 so however John got there have known who 1134 00:55:57,460 --> 00:55:55,490 knows maybe I mean they have to drain 1135 00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:57,470 that's reclaimed land really because I 1136 00:56:05,230 --> 00:55:58,640 said that hill 1137 00:56:07,180 --> 00:56:05,240 used to be an island so that's just that 1138 00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,190 that's just another mystery into I mean 1139 00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:08,960 John knows he couldn't have got there by 1140 00:56:13,540 --> 00:56:10,940 walking there can't remember getting 1141 00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:13,550 there that's the thing remember going to 1142 00:56:16,450 --> 00:56:14,590 water 1143 00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:16,460 don't think you can remember getting 1144 00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:25,790 there's a lot lot of done areas that 1145 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:32,100 need clearing up yeah they I was just 1146 00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:34,650 looking at the blogs at you well it's 1147 00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:35,880 not a blog as a nursing home what I've 1148 00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:40,710 loved it about you know the news of the 1149 00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:42,800 world mm-hmm 1150 00:56:47,350 --> 00:56:46,500 and how it ended up in the news of the 1151 00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:47,360 world 1152 00:56:52,850 --> 00:56:51,540 Elzy story actually broke yeah well you 1153 00:56:55,210 --> 00:56:52,860 know Larry Warren said that he never 1154 00:56:57,710 --> 00:56:55,220 spoke to the news of the world but 1155 00:56:59,960 --> 00:56:57,720 little did he know that was I able to 1156 00:57:01,520 --> 00:56:59,970 obtain the tape for well if anyone had 1157 00:57:03,230 --> 00:57:01,530 really looked a lot of that tape was 1158 00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:03,240 already in the sky gosh I never knew 1159 00:57:09,350 --> 00:57:07,230 that at the time yeah yeah yeah he was 1160 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:09,360 desperate for to get his hands on that 1161 00:57:13,310 --> 00:57:11,370 tape he thought well he accused me of 1162 00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:13,320 stealing it from Doc how could I steal 1163 00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,960 it from the doc I mean I had everything 1164 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:17,880 adopts anyway and that tape wasn't a 1165 00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:19,890 monster there was a tape there there was 1166 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:22,140 a tape there of when she spoke to them 1167 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:25,050 and I'm trying to think of his name now 1168 00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:27,210 he was the the chappy they got the tape 1169 00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,390 from Sam Morgan Sam Morgan yeah lovely 1170 00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:38,760 phone conversation because she sound 1171 00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:40,560 like a little English Rose he can turn 1172 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:48,060 you know that's a hell of a story as 1173 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:50,250 well because when the tape came went to 1174 00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,810 her Alton broader dress and she just got 1175 00:57:59,660 --> 00:57:56,520 the envelope come with no tape inside 1176 00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,670 her and so she goes flying down the post 1177 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:01,380 office in their search the post office 1178 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:03,240 out and found it he started piece of 1179 00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:05,010 machinery or that's what they told her 1180 00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:15,120 anyway yeah so he denied and you've 1181 00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,250 heard little clips I put my new to one 1182 00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:19,440 minute he's denying that name because I 1183 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:21,870 was able to cut bits at the tape and 1184 00:58:32,090 --> 00:58:28,890 play it back yeah and now I'm speaking 1185 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:32,100 to him yeah yeah and also he'd already 1186 00:58:34,850 --> 00:58:34,170 spoken to someone before he spoke to 1187 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:34,860 keep baby 1188 00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:37,770 he spoke to speak to them because you 1189 00:58:42,860 --> 00:58:40,700 know in America they have 1190 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:42,870 representatives for English newspapers 1191 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:44,370 agents or web they call them 1192 00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:46,170 representatives are done the recording 1193 00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:49,080 but though they're mining in America you 1194 00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,240 know like when the BBC come on you know 1195 00:58:55,130 --> 00:58:53,760 is our man in Hong Kong away so anyway 1196 00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:55,140 they representative over there was 1197 00:58:59,630 --> 00:58:56,700 called Bob Smith and they'd already 1198 00:59:02,780 --> 00:58:59,640 given the story to Bob Smith before we 1199 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:02,790 spoke to keep baby not knowing where he 1200 00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:03,450 was from 1201 00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:10,260 some it Bob had already got the story 1202 00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:13,160 and then in the middle of that tape and 1203 00:59:20,090 --> 00:59:17,520 he's saying to keep BB that he'd already 1204 00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:20,100 spoke to another report room and Keith 1205 00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:22,230 says I wonder if that's our man because 1206 00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:23,580 they've been trying to get older with 1207 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:27,390 some time and we know our man in New 1208 00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:30,210 York you may well have already gave us 1209 00:59:35,420 --> 00:59:32,790 the story you know saying but they need 1210 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:35,430 about then he denied all he denied he 1211 00:59:40,550 --> 00:59:37,650 ever spoke to him and if that tape 1212 00:59:44,990 --> 00:59:40,560 hadn't had come my way he would have got 1213 00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:45,000 wound up so you gotta ask yourself why 1214 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:47,550 did he want to distance himself from the 1215 00:59:52,070 --> 00:59:49,370 story what's in the news of the world 1216 01:00:04,220 --> 00:59:52,080 what was in there that so bad that he 1217 01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:04,230 didn't want to admit to well he seems 1218 01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:06,540 gay to saying that word alien he said 1219 01:00:09,710 --> 01:00:08,520 that it's uncool but maybe that's 1220 01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:09,720 something I was putting his head because 1221 01:00:15,050 --> 01:00:11,670 if he ever was debrief well he got his 1222 01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:15,060 word for it but you know Jim don't like 1223 01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:30,750 to say aliens either sorry would know he 1224 01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:32,460 was saying that was them from the future 1225 01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:35,280 won't or us from the future yeah but I 1226 01:00:39,980 --> 01:00:37,110 seem to remember that he didn't like 1227 01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:39,990 using the word alien but I mean what's 1228 01:00:43,010 --> 01:00:41,280 the difference between calling something 1229 01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:43,020 alien and something to being if you 1230 01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:45,420 describe something that's more grey 1231 01:00:50,780 --> 01:00:48,360 skinned got big cat-like eyes 1232 01:01:08,120 --> 01:00:50,790 is it an alien that's not not not lives 1233 01:01:10,910 --> 01:01:08,130 on this planet oh yes in Japan TV tapes 1234 01:01:13,550 --> 01:01:10,920 are quite good I'm not we never did get 1235 01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:13,560 them deciphered did we but you can 1236 01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:15,750 handle bits of English in that any 1237 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:18,630 saying oh yeah there's three aliens 1238 01:01:22,970 --> 01:01:20,610 cat-like eyes and he's describing them 1239 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:22,980 you've got to really listen because the 1240 01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:26,570 Japanese report was speaking over him 1241 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:29,520 hmm I think that's when everything went 1242 01:01:34,130 --> 01:01:32,970 went wrong fur for Larry cause he went 1243 01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:34,140 now and was treated a bit like a 1244 01:02:24,530 --> 01:01:38,480 superstar and from that moment on I mean 1245 01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:24,540 otherwise he's friends yeah I would like 1246 01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:26,280 to see I would like to see him play 1247 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:28,710 guitar if I can Stevie Ray Vaughan 1248 01:02:32,570 --> 01:02:30,810 learning to play I'd like to see him you 1249 01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:32,580 know prove everyone wrong and get up and 1250 01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:40,170 well I would be the first thing I'd do 1251 01:02:46,289 --> 01:02:41,940 you know take some of this and have some 1252 01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:46,299 play bit vision child you know yeah yeah 1253 01:02:53,370 --> 01:02:49,900 you know I do know that well when he was 1254 01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:53,380 around yours and and dave was playing 1255 01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:56,799 something and he wouldn't play it 1256 01:03:10,499 --> 01:02:58,690 because he he said what he said got a 1257 01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:10,509 sore finger yeah well mine especially I 1258 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:12,430 mean you he was a good friend to him and 1259 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:16,089 so was I you know we've got forget just 1260 01:03:23,009 --> 01:03:21,130 get on with things that's just you know 1261 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:23,019 if I had never happened like you say no 1262 01:03:26,130 --> 01:03:24,490 one would ever find out is broad and 1263 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:26,140 people would be looking in the wrong 1264 01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:28,450 avenues still at least no people are 1265 01:03:32,999 --> 01:03:30,240 looking for an alternative explanation 1266 01:03:35,819 --> 01:03:33,009 there's still gonna be people even 1267 01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:35,829 despite and they turn the blind eye to 1268 01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,559 what's in left at Eastgate and they turn 1269 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:40,480 the blind eye to all the discrepancies 1270 01:03:45,299 --> 01:03:42,730 and lies they're still gonna be people 1271 01:03:56,849 --> 01:03:45,309 he's following you know well all I can 1272 01:03:59,579 --> 01:03:56,859 say is more find new people so it's just 1273 01:04:04,769 --> 01:03:59,589 gonna survive on new people until he saw 1274 01:04:06,809 --> 01:04:04,779 so yeah but the thing is now when you 1275 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:06,819 google Larry Warren the first thing and 1276 01:04:12,990 --> 01:04:10,089 pops up on Google is broad into its own 1277 01:04:25,289 --> 01:04:13,000 you know people look far to get to the 1278 01:04:26,999 --> 01:04:25,299 truth good job done nice people think 1279 01:04:29,370 --> 01:04:27,009 people think there's satisfaction at 1280 01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,380 this there's no satisfaction at all now 1281 01:04:34,529 --> 01:04:32,079 you know I hate every minute of them the 1282 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:34,539 fall I tied for Larry one I hate it 1283 01:04:38,670 --> 01:04:36,730 because that's not me I'm not that sort 1284 01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:38,680 of person but I've brought the worst out 1285 01:04:51,690 --> 01:04:47,820 then they brought the best out yeah I 1286 01:04:53,790 --> 01:04:51,700 you know there's only so much that you 1287 01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:53,800 can take and you take it personally 1288 01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,200 of the trolling yeah the lies all the 1289 01:05:01,230 --> 01:04:58,720 rest of it at first people have to 1290 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:01,240 understand that this it was a friend 1291 01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:05,890 yeah for nine years so at first I was 1292 01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:10,230 reeling from the total betrayal because 1293 01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:13,150 once that cut them down and the 1294 01:05:20,070 --> 01:05:16,000 realization started happening one after 1295 01:05:21,930 --> 01:05:20,080 the other and then when you put you know 1296 01:05:24,060 --> 01:05:21,940 the narrative you know he's narrative 1297 01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:24,070 him you know the things and you stop 1298 01:05:30,570 --> 01:05:28,030 looking and you and it's staggering 1299 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:30,580 you can't understand it's not just like 1300 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:33,130 meeting that everyone going oh well he's 1301 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:36,090 obviously a liar then it's it's so 1302 01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,850 repetitive because she keeps thinking of 1303 01:05:43,100 --> 01:05:41,440 all these different moments and all 1304 01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:43,110 these different things and it's like 1305 01:05:47,700 --> 01:05:46,960 everything is aligned angling like no no 1306 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:47,710 no can't be 1307 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:50,770 you know I'm exaggerating things in my 1308 01:05:57,350 --> 01:05:54,370 mind looking deeper and deeper and and 1309 01:06:00,620 --> 01:05:57,360 everything he says is the life yeah I 1310 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:00,630 don't believe I believe he was on base 1311 01:06:08,460 --> 01:06:03,850 but I don't believe it was ever rusted 1312 01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:08,470 on so any [\h__\h] I think he probably might 1313 01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:10,030 have been lost it onto a ship I don't 1314 01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:11,950 think he was involved with the insert if 1315 01:06:16,290 --> 01:06:13,900 it was involved with the incident he was 1316 01:06:18,450 --> 01:06:16,300 involved in a very small periphery way 1317 01:06:19,830 --> 01:06:18,460 maybe on the outsides maybe was one of 1318 01:06:22,620 --> 01:06:19,840 the people who were called from the dorm 1319 01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:22,630 you know the whole thing about and being 1320 01:06:27,390 --> 01:06:24,610 on D ship don't add up because he's 1321 01:06:30,060 --> 01:06:27,400 saying he went on his first day back to 1322 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:30,070 shift on the 28th was his first night 1323 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:32,890 well you don't go straight back on to 1324 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:35,650 mids anyway you go on swings to start 1325 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:38,050 with which is the you know the a.m. 1326 01:06:44,580 --> 01:06:40,530 morning afternoon chick on the mornin to 1327 01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:44,590 tee time till 7 o'clock and they'd 1328 01:06:49,830 --> 01:06:48,070 already been on I think I think C shift 1329 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:49,840 when they had their incident with Jim 1330 01:06:54,420 --> 01:06:51,490 and John I think that was the last 1331 01:06:57,420 --> 01:06:54,430 evening of the C shift so that's the 1332 01:06:58,960 --> 01:06:57,430 25th and 26th or the 26th day shift come 1333 01:07:03,160 --> 01:06:58,970 on so they'd already been 1334 01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:03,170 two nights before before the incident if 1335 01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:05,540 you know what I'm saying all day that 1336 01:07:10,059 --> 01:07:07,190 happened on the second night so if they 1337 01:07:12,339 --> 01:07:10,069 went under 22 Tracey's her on the 26 on 1338 01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,349 the 27th and that lady in there 28 yes 1339 01:07:17,319 --> 01:07:14,720 or the second night you don't join 1340 01:07:18,849 --> 01:07:17,329 midship I know it was Christmas time and 1341 01:07:21,250 --> 01:07:18,859 I know what Christmastime like a lot of 1342 01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:21,260 places ships get messed up because they 1343 01:07:27,309 --> 01:07:24,710 like to give them they're married people 1344 01:07:29,950 --> 01:07:27,319 time off and and if you happen to be 1345 01:07:33,250 --> 01:07:29,960 living on base and yeah you know you 1346 01:07:35,410 --> 01:07:33,260 you're a single person then you you get 1347 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:35,420 called in and stuff like that but from 1348 01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:37,130 the people I've spoke to there weren't a 1349 01:07:43,150 --> 01:07:39,260 lot of that went on there was a muddle 1350 01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:43,160 up of ships when on colonel Holt's night 1351 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:44,990 you know when Colonel Holt says when he 1352 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:47,030 got to the land and stage I'll keep 1353 01:07:50,589 --> 01:07:48,410 calling at landing stage and shows 1354 01:07:53,710 --> 01:07:50,599 another name for anyway the place where 1355 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:53,720 all the where all the trucks were at 1356 01:07:58,750 --> 01:07:55,730 that point as a lot point in the forest 1357 01:08:01,170 --> 01:07:58,760 where five tracks me and he said there 1358 01:08:04,450 --> 01:08:01,180 was people everywhere said it was a 1359 01:08:08,530 --> 01:08:04,460 public affairs disaster and cuz what 1360 01:08:11,890 --> 01:08:08,540 happened some people had had been on the 1361 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:11,900 swing shift stayed over after the shift 1362 01:08:17,470 --> 01:08:15,410 to see what was going on I'm sure he 1363 01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:17,480 sent most tell Holt sent most people 1364 01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:20,839 thank cause he he was very young deaf 1365 01:08:25,930 --> 01:08:23,140 not who he wanted out there are new dig 1366 01:08:27,910 --> 01:08:25,940 so there was and also like there was 1367 01:08:30,430 --> 01:08:27,920 people who made the way out there like 1368 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:30,440 John Burroughs on Ken Holt's night he 1369 01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:34,130 was up Joey he had gone them on to the 1370 01:08:37,450 --> 01:08:36,020 base and spoke to the law enforcement 1371 01:08:39,370 --> 01:08:37,460 desk and they said there's more stuff 1372 01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:39,380 going on and he what to lift out there 1373 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:42,440 and you hear on the whole tape where him 1374 01:08:46,510 --> 01:08:44,449 and one other are asking for permission 1375 01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:46,520 to come forward in your hair cohort so 1376 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:49,969 not at this time so I mean he was in 1377 01:08:58,059 --> 01:08:56,810 cities no he felt compelled to go out 1378 01:09:00,729 --> 01:08:58,069 there he thought they were going to come 1379 01:09:00,999 --> 01:09:00,739 back the phenomena was going to come 1380 01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:01,009 back 1381 01:09:07,970 --> 01:09:04,839 he had that feeling couldn't sleep yeah 1382 01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,980 twisted into there was an 1383 01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:10,020 that was out there for two weeks that 1384 01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:12,390 have refused to come back in I he'd gone 1385 01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:15,600 completely feral you know yeah bit like 1386 01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:18,210 Charlie Sheen and Apocalypse Now and 1387 01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:20,520 people were taking food and blankets to 1388 01:09:25,130 --> 01:09:23,640 it so I thought there's absolutely no 1389 01:09:29,210 --> 01:09:25,140 way because they said that would be a 1390 01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:29,220 wall for Starlin somebody would go out 1391 01:09:34,150 --> 01:09:30,870 and they would drop him and then we 1392 01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:34,160 would take him back not just leaving no 1393 01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:36,330 let me smack dab you anyway but a 1394 01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:41,640 fortnight yes so I asked total hull you 1395 01:09:46,579 --> 01:09:44,910 know what what is the basis of this that 1396 01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:46,589 is there's got to be something like I 1397 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:49,380 said did John go out there a couple of 1398 01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:53,489 times maybe to scout about see anything 1399 01:09:59,840 --> 01:09:56,640 they'd come back or did he want to go 1400 01:10:01,460 --> 01:09:59,850 back out there you know and he said that 1401 01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:01,470 you think he went out there couple of 1402 01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:04,560 times just to see if he could see 1403 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:06,600 anything again you know see if anything 1404 01:10:12,170 --> 01:10:09,210 to come back so that's not him 1405 01:10:20,180 --> 01:10:12,180 know being out where for two weeks with 1406 01:10:23,180 --> 01:10:20,190 tweaks in his head he said a few things 1407 01:10:25,340 --> 01:10:23,190 about Johnny's also said that his dorm 1408 01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:25,350 was raided and John had had photographs 1409 01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:27,660 and they confiscated them but I don't 1410 01:10:30,710 --> 01:10:29,100 think it's in the truth in that I'm sure 1411 01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:30,720 I've heard that from John if there was I 1412 01:10:36,110 --> 01:10:32,460 think I've asked him I woulda known the 1413 01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:36,120 theatre said yes but yeah it's just 1414 01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:38,450 something else until just another line 1415 01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:51,390 well yeah and the in the collar this 1416 01:10:57,070 --> 01:10:54,690 kind of like what looks like a face and 1417 01:11:01,970 --> 01:10:57,080 Gloria said that that was John Burroughs 1418 01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:01,980 no just these first surprise they came 1419 01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:07,650 about was it well he was just this name 1420 01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,510 mark quite a lot if you looked through 1421 01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,320 when he's gate look at his early 1422 01:11:17,090 --> 01:11:14,880 recordings that he does whenever there's 1423 01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:17,100 any one mysterious who can't be 1424 01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:19,650 contacted he calls a mark you know there 1425 01:11:24,930 --> 01:11:21,969 was Mark there can and there was marker 1426 01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,940 the airmen who had the car and I was 1427 01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:27,040 called mark you know he went to London 1428 01:11:33,670 --> 01:11:30,790 with Mark you knows but that story 1429 01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:33,680 changes as well another time 1430 01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:35,430 [Music] 1431 01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:39,280 well this photograph was allegedly taken 1432 01:11:47,250 --> 01:11:44,710 by Mark the accountants as given them to 1433 01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:47,260 Warren who hid them in the mob that he 1434 01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:50,610 brought from Germany when he didn't go 1435 01:11:56,910 --> 01:11:55,150 because he was here or ever version so 1436 01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:56,920 those are the first graphs that yes 1437 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:00,820 Steve the plume to lie and say that he'd 1438 01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:02,650 sneak them out for him hmm 1439 01:12:07,250 --> 01:12:04,390 like why would do you even be worried 1440 01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:07,260 about sneaking a roll of film out it's 1441 01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:13,510 no but listen that was easy if you 1442 01:12:17,130 --> 01:12:15,190 wanted to get anything out of that base 1443 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:17,140 all you had to do was go into town and 1444 01:12:22,110 --> 01:12:19,810 post it there was no I mean this is the 1445 01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:22,120 whole thing about the letter and writing 1446 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:24,280 oh I acted this on the bottom when I was 1447 01:12:28,709 --> 01:12:27,250 at the base post office you know when I 1448 01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,719 get home man I'll tell you the whole 1449 01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:31,120 truth about the UFO and stuff like that 1450 01:12:37,530 --> 01:12:35,920 he didn't need to say oh I can't put it 1451 01:12:39,780 --> 01:12:37,540 in the letter because they read it 1452 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:39,790 Christ all you had to do was go in the 1453 01:12:45,870 --> 01:12:42,610 Woodbridge and post the bloody thing you 1454 01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:45,880 know why all this business you know why 1455 01:12:51,810 --> 01:12:49,270 use them that the phone booth on the 1456 01:12:53,729 --> 01:12:51,820 base if he knew they were attacked why 1457 01:12:55,620 --> 01:12:53,739 didn't he go in Woodbridge and use one 1458 01:13:09,120 --> 01:12:55,630 there in this crazy 1459 01:13:14,730 --> 01:13:12,030 so the photographs that was done he says 1460 01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:14,740 he said the in this photograph that he's 1461 01:13:19,950 --> 01:13:17,740 thought that he puts about now it's a 1462 01:13:22,710 --> 01:13:19,960 very small photo 1463 01:13:25,380 --> 01:13:22,720 it's just misty with the phenomenon of 1464 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:25,390 the lights and the mist and it's alleged 1465 01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:27,850 faces of John Burroughs and the caller 1466 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:31,150 and the left but actually original 1467 01:13:37,610 --> 01:13:33,850 picture of that he's like a far sighs 1468 01:13:41,190 --> 01:13:37,620 yeah I've seen that fella don't you sir 1469 01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,200 how either where's the rest of John's 1470 01:13:46,440 --> 01:13:44,320 body though yes his face when in that 1471 01:13:48,990 --> 01:13:46,450 when I handled that the first time I 1472 01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,000 handled that food class was probably the 1473 01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:51,520 first time Gary hesitance aura and that 1474 01:13:58,140 --> 01:13:54,820 was on the 2012 conference 1475 01:14:01,800 --> 01:13:58,150 Larry shaped my room I put him up in my 1476 01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:01,810 room and we went down into the hotel bar 1477 01:14:07,890 --> 01:14:05,020 afterwards and he's flashing this 1478 01:14:09,990 --> 01:14:07,900 photograph about and showing it to Gary 1479 01:14:11,670 --> 01:14:10,000 has thought all very interested in it 1480 01:14:13,380 --> 01:14:11,680 well I looked at it and I thought well I 1481 01:14:16,670 --> 01:14:13,390 can see a few little blobs a lot never 1482 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:16,680 saw anything marvelous about I was badly 1483 01:14:21,270 --> 01:14:19,390 fingerprints all over and that was a 1484 01:14:22,530 --> 01:14:21,280 photograph of the negative you know it 1485 01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:22,540 wasn't a negative and it wasn't a 1486 01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:24,460 photograph I was a Tokra over negative 1487 01:14:32,370 --> 01:14:27,760 and he's telling this story to me that 1488 01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:32,380 this film is only available to NASA 1489 01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:37,540 spray you know space people and the 1490 01:14:43,230 --> 01:14:40,590 special services you know that wasn't 1491 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:43,240 ordinary type of film I couldn't see 1492 01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:44,770 anything that was special about that 1493 01:14:51,570 --> 01:14:48,940 film cuz Georgina when she and she had 1494 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:51,580 to thought she had a photograph I know 1495 01:14:54,690 --> 01:14:53,290 it says photographs I don't know what 1496 01:14:57,330 --> 01:14:54,700 the other photographs were the 1497 01:14:59,100 --> 01:14:57,340 photograph of that photograph but there 1498 01:15:01,500 --> 01:14:59,110 was a big fuss about he wanted them back 1499 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:01,510 um I did find out recently that was some 1500 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:04,170 money changed hands with Georgina and 1501 01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:08,470 have you heard that no she ate them the 1502 01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:09,790 reason she held onto him was because 1503 01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:12,130 she'd fronted some money and wanted her 1504 01:15:17,370 --> 01:15:14,860 money's worth I suppose but anyway she 1505 01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:17,380 said that if she could have the negative 1506 01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:19,150 because she wasn't investigative 1507 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:22,070 journalists when she she knew her job 1508 01:15:27,190 --> 01:15:25,730 she could tell by the numbers on the 1509 01:15:29,410 --> 01:15:27,200 side of that when the film was taken 1510 01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:29,420 Newton's apparently body's numbers and 1511 01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:31,160 these dots on the side of the book and 1512 01:15:35,290 --> 01:15:32,870 negative you can tell everything about 1513 01:15:37,210 --> 01:15:35,300 when it was taken when it was developed 1514 01:15:40,210 --> 01:15:37,220 everything you can tell everything by 1515 01:15:42,430 --> 01:15:40,220 because they never come to fruition 1516 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:42,440 after that I mean he promised them she 1517 01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,690 never she never had forgotten as well 1518 01:15:51,490 --> 01:15:49,760 because he says he he gave him to 1519 01:15:52,990 --> 01:15:51,500 Georgina and said it was mark the 1520 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:53,000 accountant gave her the big spiel about 1521 01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:55,370 it all and that he'd had them for 19 1522 01:16:03,250 --> 01:15:58,010 years and all that kind of thing 1523 01:16:04,570 --> 01:16:03,260 and she kind of was like okay looked and 1524 01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:04,580 she was like all these are gray and 1525 01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:08,110 after a week he said he took them so 1526 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:11,510 that if he's saying that that is John 1527 01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:12,890 Burroughs in that picture 1528 01:16:21,670 --> 01:16:15,560 hmm and he took the picture yeah he's 1529 01:16:23,410 --> 01:16:21,680 putting himself as John Burroughs sue me 1530 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:23,420 how could he take the picture of John 1531 01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:26,690 Burroughs he said he told Regina we took 1532 01:16:29,500 --> 01:16:27,980 these pictures of their doughnuts this 1533 01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:29,510 one because he told me himself it was 1534 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:31,490 this one right so if he says John 1535 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:33,290 Burroughs he's in that photograph yeah 1536 01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:35,690 and he took the photograph yeah because 1537 01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,540 it's not suddenly it's not Mark she 1538 01:16:41,770 --> 01:16:39,920 accepted them when he was like oh he's 1539 01:16:44,590 --> 01:16:41,780 I've got to you know I've got to forgive 1540 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:44,600 him they're huge to this so he told her 1541 01:16:48,460 --> 01:16:46,130 well actually no it wasn't marked it was 1542 01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:48,470 me that took them and then he made me 1543 01:16:51,490 --> 01:16:49,910 saying that John Burroughs is in the 1544 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:51,500 picture so he's saying he's taking a 1545 01:16:58,840 --> 01:16:53,690 photograph of John Burroughs with the 1546 01:17:00,400 --> 01:16:58,850 fenomena yeah so well so how could you 1547 01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:00,410 be with John Burroughs and taking that 1548 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:03,710 pitch is just and he now he says that 1549 01:17:09,850 --> 01:17:07,010 that's an actual Department of Defense 1550 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:09,860 first yeah that's what he was telling me 1551 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:12,650 that was special ops that had taken the 1552 01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:14,690 photograph so the three stories there 1553 01:17:19,780 --> 01:17:17,540 but when he told your Gina when he 1554 01:17:21,250 --> 01:17:19,790 changed this story his argument to that 1555 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:21,260 was that Georgene was gonna go public 1556 01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:25,130 with marks name well I suppose she could 1557 01:17:30,370 --> 01:17:26,330 to them because I don't think that's a 1558 01:17:34,300 --> 01:17:30,380 real person anyway but then he said to 1559 01:17:35,979 --> 01:17:34,310 save from putting him in the picture he 1560 01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:35,989 offered himself up is the next 1561 01:17:45,009 --> 01:17:42,590 nation none of that adds up you know but 1562 01:17:46,689 --> 01:17:45,019 Georgina saw through him I mean everyone 1563 01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:46,699 who's got to know his books getting on 1564 01:17:53,259 --> 01:17:50,150 this misguided missile but has I been 1565 01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:53,269 interesting but everyone who had any 1566 01:17:59,680 --> 01:17:57,440 dealings with him in the end and that's 1567 01:18:01,540 --> 01:17:59,690 not the end yet for some people but in 1568 01:18:03,629 --> 01:18:01,550 the end they find out you know that's 1569 01:18:07,029 --> 01:18:03,639 all a load of baloney 1570 01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:07,039 you know look at Peter I mean he 1571 01:18:17,470 --> 01:18:09,110 believed him he really was duped you 1572 01:18:21,549 --> 01:18:17,480 know you know or wonderful I remember 1573 01:18:24,970 --> 01:18:21,559 some letters emails emails messages on 1574 01:18:29,229 --> 01:18:24,980 Facebook and he was kind of like in a 1575 01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:29,239 very roundabout way asking me if I knew 1576 01:18:34,839 --> 01:18:32,719 what Larry's actual health conditions 1577 01:18:38,140 --> 01:18:34,849 were because he thought if he's mentally 1578 01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:38,150 ill they thought well it's he also 1579 01:18:43,390 --> 01:18:40,760 thought yeah diagnosed with PTSD and 1580 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:43,400 Larry was also saying they have problems 1581 01:18:46,839 --> 01:18:45,050 with his artists after the phenomenon 1582 01:18:48,549 --> 01:18:46,849 and then he started saying that it had a 1583 01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,559 heart attack and let you know something 1584 01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:49,760 you have these problems with his house 1585 01:18:56,250 --> 01:18:52,880 so now that would put him in the bracket 1586 01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:56,260 for all of those conditions to be on 1587 01:19:01,569 --> 01:18:58,130 Employment Support Allowance 1588 01:19:04,779 --> 01:19:01,579 yeah and also probably personal 1589 01:19:08,350 --> 01:19:04,789 independence payments a disability 1590 01:19:10,299 --> 01:19:08,360 payments so you know he wasn't in 1591 01:19:15,970 --> 01:19:10,309 receipt of any of those and he was in 1592 01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:15,980 fact on ink AES a woman he first started 1593 01:19:21,939 --> 01:19:18,110 to come around and stay in and then he 1594 01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:21,949 ended up moving in because this the 1595 01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:24,289 first week that he was there after a 1596 01:19:28,750 --> 01:19:26,780 couple of days his money was stopped and 1597 01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:28,760 what they've done is they've taken him 1598 01:19:31,989 --> 01:19:30,320 up for employment support and I can put 1599 01:19:34,810 --> 01:19:31,999 him on job seekers because he was fine 1600 01:19:37,779 --> 01:19:34,820 yeah so if they wouldn't have done that 1601 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:37,789 if he had all his health problems and 1602 01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:40,010 you know keeps telling people that he's 1603 01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:41,780 diagnosed with PTSD well 1604 01:19:45,819 --> 01:19:43,940 it's not he doesn't have a diagnosis and 1605 01:19:49,330 --> 01:19:45,829 I've got a message from me 1606 01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:49,340 - Larry saying to him you need to get a 1607 01:19:56,799 --> 01:19:54,230 diagnosis of PTSD yeah I know Darwin our 1608 01:19:59,140 --> 01:19:56,809 doll you know so does evidence that if 1609 01:20:02,830 --> 01:19:59,150 all of this he's you know I can't get 1610 01:20:06,129 --> 01:20:02,840 you his medical records but there's a 1611 01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:06,139 lot of information that's actually you 1612 01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,400 know in those little few lines hmm so 1613 01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:12,800 pizza did Toby stouts and then there's a 1614 01:20:17,140 --> 01:20:14,449 few times in those that he's lied when 1615 01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,150 they lied when he and this is another 1616 01:20:22,930 --> 01:20:18,800 interesting point as well with the Fred 1617 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:22,940 max hypnosis they did yeah the he faiths 1618 01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:25,010 and this is the first Omni mentioned 1619 01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:33,199 aliens exactly as well mm-hmm and the 1620 01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:36,260 first time he remembers buddies faking 1621 01:20:41,709 --> 01:20:39,289 hypnosis yeah and it's actually in 1622 01:20:45,310 --> 01:20:41,719 Georgina's book you can't tell the 1623 01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:45,320 people that she's be pled to take by dot 1624 01:20:52,419 --> 01:20:49,730 I know about it yeah and the tape runs 1625 01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:52,429 out yeah but in these the connection 1626 01:20:58,080 --> 01:20:55,550 tape yeah Larry Larry Fawcett and Barry 1627 01:21:01,330 --> 01:20:58,090 Greenwood don't believe him anymore 1628 01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:01,340 right Georgina doesn't believe him 1629 01:21:06,129 --> 01:21:02,320 anymore 1630 01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:06,139 you know it's we don't believe him 1631 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:06,710 anymore 1632 01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:10,730 but obviously people say that it's all 1633 01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:12,770 on me this is all just me saying this 1634 01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:15,590 and I'm just a crazy super Fallon that I 1635 01:21:20,020 --> 01:21:17,150 love Larry this is what Gary has 1636 01:21:23,140 --> 01:21:20,030 sometimes tells people I love Larry and 1637 01:21:26,770 --> 01:21:23,150 I move Larry Warren into our home with 1638 01:21:29,589 --> 01:21:26,780 my partner and my children because I 1639 01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:29,599 loved him and wanted to have an affair 1640 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:33,650 with him under everybody's noses in this 1641 01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:37,610 tiny space no but it's what Gary 1642 01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:40,550 Heseltine tells people and that I'm a 1643 01:21:47,709 --> 01:21:45,020 drug addict and that my house is filthy 1644 01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:47,719 my children are filthy they live in 1645 01:21:52,990 --> 01:21:52,400 filth and he left because we were taking 1646 01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:53,000 drug 1647 01:21:58,630 --> 01:21:56,630 in front of the children and he couldn't 1648 01:22:06,400 --> 01:21:58,640 stand it anymore until there's a stop 1649 01:22:09,070 --> 01:22:06,410 rewarding so he left well I know from 1650 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:09,080 day one what was going on so they're 1651 01:22:16,090 --> 01:22:12,850 saying all of that because I'm saying 1652 01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:16,100 look at all of this yeah and Gary 1653 01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:19,030 hassles having you say it's just her 1654 01:22:25,150 --> 01:22:22,400 she's crazy oh I love Larry Barbara and 1655 01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:25,160 I'm sure he'll never do all the crap 1656 01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:26,960 that he was coming out with on the jello 1657 01:22:32,260 --> 01:22:29,090 much yeah I've heard time and time again 1658 01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:32,270 I'd like to add you know a half an hour 1659 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:34,840 with Gary and go over some points 1660 01:22:39,820 --> 01:22:37,850 sensibly without anyone getting excited 1661 01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:39,830 and I'd like him to answer some of the 1662 01:22:43,450 --> 01:22:42,380 things I know you've done an open letter 1663 01:22:45,670 --> 01:22:43,460 to Gary Heseltine 1664 01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:45,680 and the points are in there I don't 1665 01:22:50,700 --> 01:22:48,320 think he's addressed that Andy yes no 1666 01:22:53,740 --> 01:22:50,710 but the first thing I would have done 1667 01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:53,750 would be to a dresser and and even if 1668 01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:56,030 you're wrong on some points you know at 1669 01:23:00,280 --> 01:22:58,280 least address it not just keep calling 1670 01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:00,290 people trolls does he know what a troll 1671 01:23:08,410 --> 01:23:04,400 is you know well he's turned into a 1672 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:08,420 trial that's the shame really because 1673 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:10,370 then probably all got something Zaroff 1674 01:23:15,730 --> 01:23:13,730 I'm not sure quite what um I think he 1675 01:23:17,740 --> 01:23:15,740 made a big mistake doing this couple 1676 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:17,750 green based on the story of Lowrie 1677 01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:19,370 Warren because there's a brilliant story 1678 01:23:24,820 --> 01:23:22,010 there to be told and that in his story 1679 01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:24,830 and that would have you know that would 1680 01:23:30,010 --> 01:23:28,280 have been brilliant but he's he's blown 1681 01:23:32,710 --> 01:23:30,020 it for himself now it's a very little 1682 01:23:35,470 --> 01:23:32,720 trust within the UFO community when it 1683 01:23:37,710 --> 01:23:35,480 comes to and wit says I'm talking to you 1684 01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:37,720 know tell tell me they won't speak to 1685 01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:40,190 Gary Heseltine because they don't trust 1686 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:44,870 him for that reason you know he's he's 1687 01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:46,730 been shown that he's been shown evidence 1688 01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:52,550 and truth and he says it's not then to 1689 01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:54,890 say that he's not been convicted of 1690 01:23:59,200 --> 01:23:56,690 anything that doesn't mean anything 1691 01:24:00,370 --> 01:23:59,210 there's pedophiles running about that 1692 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:00,380 haven't been convicted of anything 1693 01:24:05,770 --> 01:24:03,290 there's still be defiles they all get 1694 01:24:06,859 --> 01:24:05,780 caught eventually I mean for a policeman 1695 01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:06,869 to say that 1696 01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:08,460 yeah you know until you've been 1697 01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:13,230 convicted the snot book when I say is a 1698 01:24:21,500 --> 01:24:16,260 common he's saying he's not calm calm 1699 01:24:28,700 --> 01:24:21,510 means convict confidence it does exactly 1700 01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:28,710 what he does so just calling me mentally 1701 01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:31,650 ill and telling people that my mom put 1702 01:24:37,780 --> 01:24:34,290 me in a mental hospital and actually use 1703 01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:37,790 the words mental hospital like he's some 1704 01:24:44,169 --> 01:24:41,580 1970s caveman yeah because we don't use 1705 01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:44,179 that language anymore that's disgraceful 1706 01:24:49,879 --> 01:24:47,820 so you saying he's saying like don't 1707 01:24:56,629 --> 01:24:49,889 listen to her because she's mentally ill 1708 01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:56,639 yeah both he's gonna say what mental 1709 01:25:02,510 --> 01:24:59,760 housing people I'm using it as a weapon 1710 01:25:06,830 --> 01:25:02,520 against misa actually officially I hate 1711 01:25:08,030 --> 01:25:06,840 of course it is if you could get yeah if 1712 01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,040 you could get anyone to do anything 1713 01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:11,040 about it but if you know us I mean the 1714 01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:14,670 the way um Larry Warren bullied his way 1715 01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:17,489 when anyone confronted him was to 1716 01:25:21,169 --> 01:25:19,199 threaten him with the antler way well we 1717 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:21,179 know that's a load of bulls now anyway 1718 01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:23,130 don't because we knows he's never been 1719 01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:25,260 the Hells Angel he definitely won't be 1720 01:25:29,660 --> 01:25:27,150 one now anyway 1721 01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:29,670 there is there is one or two 1722 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:32,480 requirements that I know about that 1723 01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:35,010 would give a reason why he could never 1724 01:25:43,790 --> 01:25:39,840 have been a Hells Angel he could never 1725 01:25:47,330 --> 01:25:43,800 be as because he'd been a policeman it 1726 01:25:54,859 --> 01:25:47,340 was in the security place that's one of 1727 01:25:58,339 --> 01:25:54,869 the main mean I mean I'm sure you can 1728 01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:58,349 find it online but there's a list of 1729 01:26:04,339 --> 01:26:00,840 things that they date them abide I mean 1730 01:26:06,020 --> 01:26:04,349 they D they don't have them well they 1731 01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,030 probably do know but it's and women in 1732 01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:08,699 their chapters at all and you must never 1733 01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:10,710 have been a child molester 1734 01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:13,679 you must never been any way associated 1735 01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:17,489 with a place I mean there's a reason for 1736 01:26:20,060 --> 01:26:19,020 that you know how they get their income 1737 01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:20,070 to 1738 01:26:27,860 --> 01:26:23,330 yeah mm-hmm 1739 01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:27,870 so yeah and he was threatening people 1740 01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:30,000 with that left right and center oh yeah 1741 01:26:38,630 --> 01:26:37,080 yeah the outlaw life a lot of people I'm 1742 01:26:41,780 --> 01:26:38,640 sure this people look that would have 1743 01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,790 frightened you know will he frighten 1744 01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:44,040 James well shouldn't they called him the 1745 01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:45,690 little sex crime fella 1746 01:26:52,730 --> 01:26:50,370 what was that that's just what he does 1747 01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:52,740 he throws things out to get people 1748 01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:54,780 thinking because a lot of these people 1749 01:27:01,370 --> 01:26:58,050 hang on his every word but that could 1750 01:27:04,970 --> 01:27:01,380 have been you know Jones that it's 1751 01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:04,980 sending his brother to his address yeah 1752 01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:07,620 I tell you I find out recently he done 1753 01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:11,580 the same to Reyn spree he threated he's 1754 01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:14,760 he's threatened Ryan he told him that if 1755 01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:17,280 he does his play about Rendlesham he's 1756 01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:20,550 gonna send 20 Hells Angels round to kick 1757 01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:27,060 the living [\h__\h] out of him is that it's 1758 01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:30,300 been like flattered that somebody was 1759 01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,170 making the playerbase 1760 01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:32,880 yeah I think Peter put a lot of work 1761 01:27:38,210 --> 01:27:36,000 into that as well yeah his own time you 1762 01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:38,220 know meeting with Ryan and going over 1763 01:27:43,730 --> 01:27:41,250 and that's only gonna be a play by the 1764 01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:43,740 bite left at each guy you think yeah 1765 01:27:57,170 --> 01:27:51,900 yeah I said to me recently that there 1766 01:27:59,420 --> 01:27:57,180 were in 2007 my friend Sarah and I we 1767 01:28:03,500 --> 01:27:59,430 bought tickets got that word weird 1768 01:28:05,630 --> 01:28:03,510 weekend in Devon Peter and Lauren was 1769 01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:05,640 speaking so we came from Leeds who came 1770 01:28:09,490 --> 01:28:07,650 to Liverpool would pick them up and we 1771 01:28:12,650 --> 01:28:09,500 drove him all the way down to Devon 1772 01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:12,660 right and we will go in there anyway 1773 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:15,570 we Larry was keeping it all big lips 1774 01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:16,530 about money and 1775 01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:19,710 blah blah petrol money etc well we will 1776 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:21,090 go in anyway so it didn't really matter 1777 01:28:26,630 --> 01:28:22,530 that never happened 1778 01:28:30,620 --> 01:28:26,640 as you might imagine and you know Peter 1779 01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:30,630 told me recently that when he got into 1780 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:32,130 the flight we'd all got there we were 1781 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:36,810 all at Larry's flat and Larry got to the 1782 01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:38,850 toilet I think no no no it's before we'd 1783 01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:39,360 arrived 1784 01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:43,020 Larry gone to the toilet and Peter saw 1785 01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:47,850 this jacket and he looked in his angels 1786 01:28:53,990 --> 01:28:52,560 so he pulled out the jacket and found 1787 01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:54,000 that he had these patches on the back of 1788 01:29:01,310 --> 01:28:57,810 his jacket so he said Solari what's this 1789 01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:01,320 he said well you know I'm in the Hells 1790 01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:04,440 Angels and you know obviously Peter was 1791 01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:08,100 horrified because he's in America the 1792 01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:10,170 Hells Angels were absolutely you know 1793 01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:11,760 ferocious yes I don't think we're quite 1794 01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:14,850 as bad over here but you know so his 1795 01:29:21,230 --> 01:29:17,670 mental image that Hells Angels or some 1796 01:29:24,050 --> 01:29:21,240 things you know to be worried about but 1797 01:29:25,900 --> 01:29:24,060 also knowing as well the kind of things 1798 01:29:30,230 --> 01:29:25,910 that you have to do to get that punch 1799 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:30,240 yeah so it was horrified he was angry 1800 01:29:33,850 --> 01:29:32,010 was like all right you know like being 1801 01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:33,860 associated with somebody like him 1802 01:29:38,180 --> 01:29:36,480 whatever remember exactly what he was 1803 01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:38,190 saying but it was shots and he was 1804 01:29:44,660 --> 01:29:41,550 horrified and he didn't like it and me 1805 01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:44,670 and Sarah turned up and he was like oh 1806 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:46,980 [\h__\h] off the map so Sarah was driving 1807 01:29:52,940 --> 01:29:50,010 and I sat in the back with pizza and we 1808 01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:52,950 just tried for 7 hours are long it took 1809 01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:54,870 us to get there and he was really 1810 01:30:01,520 --> 01:29:58,710 grateful for that because he he dug no 1811 01:30:05,500 --> 01:30:01,530 idea he was furious and we sort of 1812 01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:05,510 diffused situation so when we were down 1813 01:30:12,170 --> 01:30:10,290 you know in Devon people with their 1814 01:30:14,270 --> 01:30:12,180 worries my goings being weird he's like 1815 01:30:16,430 --> 01:30:14,280 listen Leo I already so tight and let me 1816 01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:16,440 see any money for petrol blah blah blah 1817 01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:20,130 and he really fed as this line and I was 1818 01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:22,190 thinking 1819 01:30:26,350 --> 01:30:24,770 why is he being so rude why is he nor 1820 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:26,360 his wife is sitting with us you know 1821 01:30:31,180 --> 01:30:28,010 we're just brought me he was inviting 1822 01:30:33,340 --> 01:30:31,190 Larry hmm but eat Larry turn that into 1823 01:30:35,530 --> 01:30:33,350 something thing about how horrible Peter 1824 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:35,540 wants so that kind of set the tone in my 1825 01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:37,610 mind on the level even though I've met 1826 01:30:42,820 --> 01:30:40,630 people if I was a really nice man I had 1827 01:30:44,620 --> 01:30:42,830 thought oh well there's these negative 1828 01:30:49,540 --> 01:30:44,630 traits in but you know you take people 1829 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:49,550 as they are done yeah so but I just get 1830 01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:51,050 so mad sometimes 1831 01:30:59,010 --> 01:30:54,800 and I shouldn't but the thing is wrong 1832 01:31:01,630 --> 01:30:59,020 is that I had UFO experience I had 1833 01:31:04,570 --> 01:31:01,640 abduction experiences on whatever that 1834 01:31:06,550 --> 01:31:04,580 is it's happened to me I don't claim to 1835 01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:06,560 know the nature of it but I know it's 1836 01:31:12,490 --> 01:31:09,050 something that's happened to me and I 1837 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:12,500 was so desperate and so screwed in my 1838 01:31:18,580 --> 01:31:16,730 head I'm frightened and wanting to 1839 01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:18,590 understand it having no answers and 1840 01:31:24,189 --> 01:31:21,650 having nobody to talk to and you know 1841 01:31:25,810 --> 01:31:24,199 not trusting anyone and every time you 1842 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:25,820 try and tell someone on the internet 1843 01:31:29,170 --> 01:31:27,530 they don't believe you you don't open 1844 01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:29,180 this big argument and you're defending 1845 01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:31,040 yourself I give people who really do not 1846 01:31:34,209 --> 01:31:31,630 matter 1847 01:31:37,180 --> 01:31:34,219 no but you feel so like emotionally 1848 01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:37,190 charged about it because it's trauma hmm 1849 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:42,110 and people are denying it up and Peter 1850 01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:44,930 was with Hopkins all the time 1851 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:50,330 and he kept as a path Peter was the 1852 01:31:55,810 --> 01:31:52,930 person that I could have helped me yeah 1853 01:32:00,459 --> 01:31:55,820 but he kept us apart because he didn't 1854 01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:00,469 want me to know how nice how loyal he is 1855 01:32:08,430 --> 01:32:04,580 and how he's all Lhari being a monster 1856 01:32:11,290 --> 01:32:08,440 and he's Peyton Peter to be the monster 1857 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:11,300 to keep us apart because he didn't want 1858 01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:15,890 me to have any relationship with her cuz 1859 01:32:25,959 --> 01:32:18,800 that's awesome out that is really cruel 1860 01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:25,969 and unusual between allowing myself well 1861 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:27,260 I say kicked off I didn't do enough 1862 01:32:31,870 --> 01:32:29,770 analysis on receiving into Moustafa 1863 01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:31,880 because he was in a position he was 1864 01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:34,270 going on different radio shows and 1865 01:32:40,020 --> 01:32:35,960 bad-mouthing me 1866 01:32:42,610 --> 01:32:40,030 he told Peter that he had to unfriend me 1867 01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:42,620 vpat but made things right 1868 01:32:46,590 --> 01:32:45,050 since Peter on myself but that hurt me 1869 01:32:49,660 --> 01:32:46,600 more than anything because I like their 1870 01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:49,670 no I really you know we got them really 1871 01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,890 well and you know we'd spend some time 1872 01:32:56,710 --> 01:32:53,360 together at different conferences and 1873 01:33:01,960 --> 01:32:56,720 stuff and he sent me trinkets of his 1874 01:33:04,030 --> 01:33:01,970 sister's for my door is a musician you 1875 01:33:05,740 --> 01:33:04,040 know simply little parcels like that and 1876 01:33:08,350 --> 01:33:05,750 Christmas cards and stuff and then all 1877 01:33:12,370 --> 01:33:08,360 of a sudden you know he'd taken Larry at 1878 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:12,380 his word and that really cut that cut 1879 01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:14,810 more than hurt me more than anything but 1880 01:33:19,930 --> 01:33:17,120 so we're / / / that now and that's all 1881 01:33:23,070 --> 01:33:19,940 sword but get back to this Hells Angel 1882 01:33:26,260 --> 01:33:23,080 business I'm surprised that the 1883 01:33:28,330 --> 01:33:26,270 Liverpool chapter allowed him to keep 1884 01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:28,340 them tattoos but like Adam obliterate 1885 01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:30,320 because you know what they want but you 1886 01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,050 know what one percenters d yeah we look 1887 01:33:37,630 --> 01:33:35,120 to be in 1% you got a ride your bike 1888 01:33:39,310 --> 01:33:37,640 every day and go with a club I saw all 1889 01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:39,320 the meetings and you do what they tell 1890 01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:43,360 you more or less but the 666 is then 1891 01:33:48,910 --> 01:33:46,880 what they call a filthy few I don't 1892 01:33:52,300 --> 01:33:48,920 happen swipes or anyone has explained 1893 01:33:54,250 --> 01:33:52,310 that teeing now just like the enforces 1894 01:33:57,400 --> 01:33:54,260 now if you was in the elite in the 1895 01:34:00,070 --> 01:33:57,410 British Army you could put yourself up 1896 01:34:00,730 --> 01:34:00,080 to be in the special and the SAS were 1897 01:34:03,010 --> 01:34:00,740 the SBS 1898 01:34:05,380 --> 01:34:03,020 and you'd go through a selection process 1899 01:34:08,140 --> 01:34:05,390 and a few make it well that's what an 1900 01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:08,150 enforcer is he's not had enough time in 1901 01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:09,530 his young life 1902 01:34:16,990 --> 01:34:12,560 to become an enforcer I'm amazed that he 1903 01:34:24,730 --> 01:34:17,000 has the gall to show that because ban 1904 01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:24,740 here that case hands off they would very 1905 01:34:29,260 --> 01:34:26,810 least he'd be marched to their tattoos 1906 01:34:36,330 --> 01:34:29,270 to another mob liberated so I'm 1907 01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:40,540 putting himself as the elite he's always 1908 01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:43,070 saying that I was the first one to do 1909 01:34:48,340 --> 01:34:44,719 this and my mum was the 1910 01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:48,350 listen I have the last I was the last 1911 01:34:54,130 --> 01:34:50,900 one to be able to do this and you know 1912 01:34:59,439 --> 01:34:54,140 it's like every single detail is a big 1913 01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:59,449 deal UK 1914 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:00,800 well I saluted rubbish because I know 1915 01:35:12,430 --> 01:35:04,610 people after me who after Larry got the 1916 01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,440 base that they wanted and the other 1917 01:35:16,630 --> 01:35:14,480 thing is about being the first person 1918 01:35:19,060 --> 01:35:16,640 his mother was the first person to learn 1919 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:19,070 she won't you know Sasha I mean I can't 1920 01:35:23,170 --> 01:35:21,170 say names they'll come out sooner or 1921 01:35:27,459 --> 01:35:23,180 later maybe but people do I speak to 1922 01:35:30,490 --> 01:35:27,469 they run the mother's two days before he 1923 01:35:38,350 --> 01:35:30,500 had is it alleged incident you know 1924 01:35:40,300 --> 01:35:38,360 Austin's a rung his mother record but 1925 01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:40,310 other recipes I mean they were all kids 1926 01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:42,170 away from home they all want to ring up 1927 01:35:46,750 --> 01:35:43,460 on which their mother Merry Christmas 1928 01:35:48,490 --> 01:35:46,760 and and said they'd been on use they 1929 01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:48,500 didn't get cut off they didn't get it 1930 01:35:53,770 --> 01:35:49,930 fine 1931 01:35:59,200 --> 01:35:53,780 there's a tape playback so now mmm he's 1932 01:36:02,560 --> 01:35:59,210 some great big kind of drama yeah so 1933 01:36:05,290 --> 01:36:02,570 there's so many things as well you know 1934 01:36:07,870 --> 01:36:05,300 that make whoa when I listen to that 1935 01:36:12,390 --> 01:36:07,880 radio interview with the aging and he 1936 01:36:15,100 --> 01:36:12,400 came and and and I think she said to me 1937 01:36:18,850 --> 01:36:15,110 what about the bit of it with the camera 1938 01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:18,860 the memory of the camera its Adrian's 1939 01:36:24,580 --> 01:36:20,960 memory and he's got he's written it in 1940 01:36:27,070 --> 01:36:24,590 left each day sorry what was it a 1941 01:36:33,820 --> 01:36:27,080 jewelry I do remember yeah 1942 01:36:35,890 --> 01:36:33,830 this particular camera yeah remember 1943 01:36:38,290 --> 01:36:35,900 happy I think he says that wasn't not 1944 01:36:40,630 --> 01:36:38,300 the bug was something like that yeah 1945 01:36:49,209 --> 01:36:40,640 probably UK name cuz you said they were 1946 01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:49,219 British nationals they don't state so 1947 01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:50,810 how could they both have confiscated the 1948 01:36:55,220 --> 01:36:51,780 same camera 1949 01:36:57,590 --> 01:36:55,230 same thought pattern live yeah mm-hmm 1950 01:37:02,150 --> 01:36:57,600 you know it's just so much that it's so 1951 01:37:03,590 --> 01:37:02,160 obvious yeah it's just but you have to 1952 01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:03,600 know it and you have to have read the 1953 01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:05,820 book yeah you know and the book is 1954 01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:07,590 actually being pulled by the publishers 1955 01:37:13,550 --> 01:37:09,690 so it's kind of difficult to get your 1956 01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:13,560 hands on it but they kept or green page 1957 01:37:21,860 --> 01:37:15,960 keeps telling everyone to read the book 1958 01:37:25,460 --> 01:37:21,870 read the book Sasha the Third arena I 1959 01:37:27,230 --> 01:37:25,470 mean I told them told the first day this 1960 01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:27,240 was announced and Dion put that first 1961 01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:32,460 video I sent him a nice email staiin you 1962 01:37:35,300 --> 01:37:33,870 realize you've got the wrong dates you 1963 01:37:37,310 --> 01:37:35,310 realize you've got this you realize 1964 01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:37,320 you've done that you've been and he sent 1965 01:37:41,930 --> 01:37:39,270 a letter back saying he can't understand 1966 01:37:45,230 --> 01:37:41,940 how I got past these what did he call 1967 01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:45,240 him script editors or something and I 1968 01:37:49,670 --> 01:37:47,970 said well I'm telling you you you know 1969 01:37:51,620 --> 01:37:49,680 you're making a fool yourself you need 1970 01:38:04,010 --> 01:37:51,630 to correct these things which they did 1971 01:38:07,220 --> 01:38:04,020 correct so much wrong with it I mean now 1972 01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:07,230 it normally says the sweet non-human 1973 01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:11,130 entities or three what looks like 1974 01:38:24,430 --> 01:38:16,410 children you know almost like yeah then 1975 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:29,180 just Paul did he says there's seven 1976 01:38:41,690 --> 01:38:30,930 Altobelli ancestry and then there's 1977 01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:41,700 another more funny one like the same as 1978 01:38:59,930 --> 01:38:43,770 the food same as the drawing they eat 1979 01:39:01,210 --> 01:38:59,940 them for barry greenwood names were 1980 01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,220 portrayed like that Lemmy 1981 01:39:07,220 --> 01:39:03,840 yeah but it's like 1982 01:39:09,709 --> 01:39:07,230 says and I never said I saw aliens hmm 1983 01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:09,719 and I've never written it down it's 1984 01:39:14,450 --> 01:39:11,460 never I've never said this underground 1985 01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:14,460 base I've never well it's all in left 1986 01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:17,369 Eastgate every bit of it is easier um 1987 01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:21,810 look the couple green trailers looked at 1988 01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:27,690 them and I well however many I don't 1989 01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:31,050 know but I've got the way it's been put 1990 01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:34,440 together was very very deceiving because 1991 01:39:41,629 --> 01:39:39,449 that makes sergeants me and Laurie read 1992 01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:41,639 thoughts incidents which we all know 1993 01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:45,420 happened nowhere near there well maybe a 1994 01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:54,540 fortnight before I think I think she was 1995 01:39:59,089 --> 01:39:57,210 not even there and yeah and then 1996 01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,099 sergeant Smitty's I think was two weeks 1997 01:40:04,459 --> 01:40:01,920 before and then you got Steve LA plumes 1998 01:40:07,609 --> 01:40:04,469 which was to shift rotations afterwards 1999 01:40:12,109 --> 01:40:07,619 the capital green trailers make it sound 2000 01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:12,119 like that supportin Lorenz incident that 2001 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:15,330 don't say you know they might only put 2002 01:40:20,990 --> 01:40:18,330 the date on you know if they that's been 2003 01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:21,000 done purposely to deceive to make people 2004 01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:23,730 think that's backing up that story let's 2005 01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:24,420 face it 2006 01:40:30,290 --> 01:40:26,340 who's backing up his story he was there 2007 01:40:32,930 --> 01:40:30,300 I shouldn't think uh well I know John 2008 01:40:39,470 --> 01:40:32,940 isn't I shouldn't think Jim Penniston is 2009 01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:39,480 I know Jim went mad about Gary Heseltine 2010 01:40:44,930 --> 01:40:42,719 use in his material one of the 2011 01:40:47,810 --> 01:40:44,940 conferences in Brazil I think it was 2012 01:40:50,270 --> 01:40:47,820 right so he hasn't got permission to use 2013 01:40:53,060 --> 01:40:50,280 anything of Jim's Colonel Hart has said 2014 01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:53,070 you do not use my tape you do not use my 2015 01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:55,730 memo you do not use my name and 2016 01:41:03,109 --> 01:40:58,800 obviously John's not involved in it none 2017 01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:03,119 of the witnesses they're involved not my 2018 01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:06,000 can see there's people on the periphery 2019 01:41:11,839 --> 01:41:08,639 and I don't know what happened with 2020 01:41:14,180 --> 01:41:11,849 Steve longe era and we were friends at 2021 01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:14,190 one time until Larry one got to him at 2022 01:41:20,930 --> 01:41:17,730 the same time and I was talking to 2023 01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:20,940 cookie and he she sent me the message 2024 01:41:25,460 --> 01:41:23,160 that he sent to her why I won't be 2025 01:41:28,370 --> 01:41:25,470 trusted and they you know they shouldn't 2026 01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,380 speak to me and everything but um I had 2027 01:41:33,110 --> 01:41:30,960 an hour on the phone with Steve on 2028 01:41:34,850 --> 01:41:33,120 Gerald before that and I remember 2029 01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:34,860 everything what he told me at being at 2030 01:41:38,930 --> 01:41:36,630 rest let's see what comes out in the 2031 01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:38,940 film but looking at the trailer similar 2032 01:41:50,030 --> 01:41:40,980 to what he told me about lights coming 2033 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:50,040 down in the weapons storage area well I 2034 01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:51,930 know people who were in the weapons 2035 01:41:58,550 --> 01:41:54,690 storage area as well and on the outsides 2036 01:42:01,520 --> 01:41:58,560 of it you know spoken at length there 2037 01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:01,530 was you know there is people who say not 2038 01:42:06,110 --> 01:42:03,690 at that moment in time but there has 2039 01:42:07,820 --> 01:42:06,120 been some things happen just outside the 2040 01:42:11,210 --> 01:42:07,830 perimeter of the weapon storage area and 2041 01:42:14,030 --> 01:42:11,220 inside at different times but not during 2042 01:42:17,870 --> 01:42:14,040 that event that Larry Warren says 2043 01:42:22,730 --> 01:42:17,880 happened on Kapil Green you know so like 2044 01:42:24,740 --> 01:42:22,740 they tell me if Steve was stationed in 2045 01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:24,750 the weapon storage area there's no way 2046 01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:27,540 he'd be relieved to go into the forest 2047 01:42:33,410 --> 01:42:31,140 at Woodbridge the only the only one 2048 01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,420 person did suggest that maybe if 2049 01:42:37,610 --> 01:42:35,040 Chandler went there and he what to take 2050 01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:37,620 someone with him he might pick someone 2051 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:40,380 up he was you know Christmas table went 2052 01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:41,730 a lot going on who knows 2053 01:42:45,740 --> 01:42:43,650 by being resident see what he has to say 2054 01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:45,750 I'm looking forward to seeing what he's 2055 01:42:50,810 --> 01:42:48,570 got to say because I think I think and I 2056 01:42:52,670 --> 01:42:50,820 asked Steve several times have we 2057 01:42:55,070 --> 01:42:52,680 covered everything is there anything 2058 01:42:57,170 --> 01:42:55,080 else you can remember he didn't seem as 2059 01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:57,180 if he what to write anything you know we 2060 01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:58,560 took we talked about some stuff what 2061 01:43:03,020 --> 01:43:00,600 weren't connected some funny things were 2062 01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:03,030 happened in my hometown when the air 2063 01:43:10,730 --> 01:43:07,250 Minister come to town and play but not 2064 01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:10,740 nothing other than the lights in the 2065 01:43:15,770 --> 01:43:13,500 weapons storage area soon but it's all 2066 01:43:16,940 --> 01:43:15,780 been hushed up I mean he went I would 2067 01:43:19,610 --> 01:43:16,950 have thought someone who went to the 2068 01:43:21,470 --> 01:43:19,620 conference or maybe maybe he didn't 2069 01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:21,480 speak about it at the conference maybe 2070 01:43:33,220 --> 01:43:31,600 you know like gallery keeps talking 2071 01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:33,230 about the layout of the base we know 2072 01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:36,410 that it was a nuclear it up nuclear 2073 01:43:41,979 --> 01:43:38,930 weapons there because at the layout of 2074 01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:41,989 the base and that he used to be you know 2075 01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:45,260 police Oh an RAF base blah blah well 2076 01:43:51,190 --> 01:43:49,970 this is an hour AF base hmm isn't it so 2077 01:43:53,979 --> 01:43:51,200 of course it's been up the same layout 2078 01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:53,989 it's not an american-built no nice no 2079 01:43:57,370 --> 01:43:55,850 realistic so I don't even know why it 2080 01:43:59,410 --> 01:43:57,380 keeps waffling on about that because 2081 01:44:01,540 --> 01:43:59,420 it's an RAF base of course it's gonna be 2082 01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:01,550 laid out in something the same way you 2083 01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:04,670 know it was bought it was rented or even 2084 01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:05,980 at least or whatever you wanna call it 2085 01:44:13,390 --> 01:44:10,100 to United States Air phone yes but it 2086 01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:13,400 was actually yes so yeah the weapon 2087 01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:15,650 storage areas are gonna be like that and 2088 01:44:21,100 --> 01:44:18,800 also this bubble of nonsense that keeps 2089 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:21,110 going on about all the you know have a 2090 01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:22,970 nuclear weapons on base of course they 2091 01:44:34,630 --> 01:44:25,190 have nuclear weapons on base we have a 2092 01:44:37,780 --> 01:44:34,640 10-watt to the max you know course what 2093 01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:37,790 else you know it's just crazy yeah 2094 01:44:43,390 --> 01:44:39,290 there's there's something that keeps 2095 01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:43,400 cropping up about and we're told that 2096 01:44:50,979 --> 01:44:49,130 that was they kept weapons there against 2097 01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:50,989 our treaty rhythm I'd like to see a 2098 01:44:55,210 --> 01:44:53,120 treaty they'll never say no treaty that 2099 01:44:58,060 --> 01:44:55,220 we had with the US to say they couldn't 2100 01:44:59,650 --> 01:44:58,070 keep nuclear weapons they're the only 2101 01:45:00,630 --> 01:44:59,660 treaty that was in place was the 2102 01:45:03,070 --> 01:45:00,640 allottee 2103 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:03,080 ballistic missile treaty that lasted for 2104 01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:05,330 ten years when there was a ban on 2105 01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:08,330 everybody using anti-ballistic missile 2106 01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:10,370 and that was the only treaty that was in 2107 01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:12,710 place 79 to 80 right yeah cuz I can't 2108 01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:13,370 okay 2109 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:15,320 I've never come across one and I thought 2110 01:45:19,060 --> 01:45:16,970 that would have been shown before now 2111 01:45:22,330 --> 01:45:19,070 about this treaty that was supposed to 2112 01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,340 run I'm sure we knew everything what was 2113 01:45:26,590 --> 01:45:24,800 going on in that base I know I know not 2114 01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:26,600 the day to day running because they've 2115 01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:28,010 done as they like when they come there's 2116 01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:29,210 no two ways about it 2117 01:45:33,340 --> 01:45:31,130 you know we end our room we had Dom 2118 01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:33,350 Boland air it was the British liaison 2119 01:45:38,110 --> 01:45:35,840 officer but I mean he was a necessary 2120 01:45:39,940 --> 01:45:38,120 evil lair to run some things past them 2121 01:45:41,979 --> 01:45:39,950 like Colonel Hall asked him what do we 2122 01:45:44,529 --> 01:45:41,989 do do you know 2123 01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:44,539 do we send a letter to the mo D he 2124 01:45:48,970 --> 01:45:45,530 didn't know what to do because that 2125 01:45:52,660 --> 01:45:48,980 wasn't a normal thing was it but as has 2126 01:45:55,450 --> 01:45:52,670 things happened most of things were not 2127 01:45:58,689 --> 01:45:55,460 decided by the British base commander 2128 01:46:00,339 --> 01:45:58,699 there's probably more stuff decided at 2129 01:46:03,069 --> 01:46:00,349 the parties you know work with the 2130 01:46:05,009 --> 01:46:03,079 American American British liaisons you 2131 01:46:07,899 --> 01:46:05,019 know when they had their they're doing 2132 01:46:09,759 --> 01:46:07,909 committees and friendship parties 2133 01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:09,769 there's probably more stuff went on then 2134 01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:17,090 I don't think we had a lot to say on I 2135 01:46:42,069 --> 01:46:18,530 think they done as they like more or 2136 01:46:45,819 --> 01:46:42,079 less and I'm sure getting their money to 2137 01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:45,829 the stage don't believe anything he says 2138 01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:48,409 I'm afraid you know I mean stories in 2139 01:47:01,029 --> 01:46:58,390 Martin and yet he's relying on lips and 2140 01:47:03,370 --> 01:47:01,039 base buses to get to the roots which no 2141 01:47:07,779 --> 01:47:03,380 just none of it adds up I shouldn't 2142 01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:07,789 think they are six I think it was seven 2143 01:47:14,410 --> 01:47:12,980 something like a but I'm sure a name in 2144 01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,420 first class we thrived in the boat in 2145 01:47:16,890 --> 01:47:15,920 the nest and Martin did what know about 2146 01:47:18,939 --> 01:47:16,900 it 2147 01:47:20,109 --> 01:47:18,949 there's passion where the stuff was gone 2148 01:47:21,989 --> 01:47:20,119 missing from that base you'd be 2149 01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:21,999 wondering the fabs image that night I 2150 01:47:27,220 --> 01:47:25,249 keep wondering if you know because 2151 01:47:30,100 --> 01:47:27,230 cookie said that cameras and stuff like 2152 01:47:33,310 --> 01:47:30,110 that are going missing and Warren was 2153 01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:33,320 actually in that in the warehouse what 2154 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:35,210 they and he said that he bought that 2155 01:47:39,459 --> 01:47:37,610 camera from the PX and blah blah blah I 2156 01:47:44,700 --> 01:47:39,469 think I a half-inch stick from the way 2157 01:47:46,839 --> 01:47:44,710 yeah I don't think it's my opinion 2158 01:47:49,390 --> 01:47:46,849 that's the cameras that would go on 2159 01:47:52,419 --> 01:47:49,400 missing what was gone missin was things 2160 01:47:54,399 --> 01:47:52,429 like and pilot jackets guns and the 2161 01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:54,409 mission and stuff like that yeah I mean 2162 01:47:59,049 --> 01:47:55,489 you got remembered I 2163 01:48:01,720 --> 01:47:59,059 at that time so that serious [\h__\h] when 2164 01:48:05,229 --> 01:48:01,730 stuff was being loaded up and and not 2165 01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:05,239 make name of the warehouse yeah there 2166 01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:06,650 was lots of stuff come off that base you 2167 01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:08,409 could get anything 2168 01:48:14,350 --> 01:48:11,360 I'll get rubbish for saying that someone 2169 01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:14,360 will say no never happened I know I know 2170 01:48:17,620 --> 01:48:16,130 haven't I worked on the doors in the 2171 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:17,630 nightclubs I got offered all sorts of 2172 01:48:25,810 --> 01:48:21,170 stuff not how I did the buy again no no 2173 01:48:28,839 --> 01:48:25,820 use for it but you know other stuff that 2174 01:48:30,489 --> 01:48:28,849 wasn't there was a problem on that base 2175 01:48:35,859 --> 01:48:30,499 it weren't just for that sort of thing 2176 01:48:39,759 --> 01:48:35,869 either there was a big problem with yeah 2177 01:48:41,739 --> 01:48:39,769 you know the first night when and John 2178 01:48:43,930 --> 01:48:41,749 Burroughs the story goes that John 2179 01:48:47,729 --> 01:48:43,940 Burroughs was there he was he'd been 2180 01:48:50,620 --> 01:48:47,739 there 17 months and but Stefan's and 2181 01:48:55,959 --> 01:48:50,630 been there long by he was his supervisor 2182 01:48:57,759 --> 01:48:55,969 and he contacted John Burroughs to say 2183 01:48:59,020 --> 01:48:57,769 you know come for a ride around with me 2184 01:49:01,540 --> 01:48:59,030 we'll get to know each other a bit 2185 01:49:03,970 --> 01:49:01,550 better that actually wasn't the reason 2186 01:49:05,350 --> 01:49:03,980 why he picked John up they needed John 2187 01:49:08,319 --> 01:49:05,360 out of the way because something was 2188 01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:08,329 already going off there the OSI were 2189 01:49:15,189 --> 01:49:11,690 they on another investigation and that 2190 01:49:18,609 --> 01:49:15,199 and they saw the lights and what went 2191 01:49:20,259 --> 01:49:18,619 down and that's why the investigation 2192 01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:20,269 started soon because they want to know 2193 01:49:37,060 --> 01:49:24,800 did other people see what they saw yeah 2194 01:49:41,140 --> 01:49:37,070 they were they were staked out that 2195 01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:41,150 didn't come but that's one of the things 2196 01:49:45,819 --> 01:49:43,249 because people have said Oh Rick Richard 2197 01:49:47,770 --> 01:49:45,829 though he's and disinformation well he's 2198 01:49:51,489 --> 01:49:47,780 actually Canton is proper term as a 2199 01:49:53,770 --> 01:49:51,499 counterintelligence officer so yeah part 2200 01:49:56,589 --> 01:49:53,780 of his job was disinformation but he's 2201 01:49:58,660 --> 01:49:56,599 not he's not a discipline officer now he 2202 01:50:01,870 --> 01:49:58,670 don't need to say anything if he don't 2203 01:50:03,879 --> 01:50:01,880 want to but he said three or four things 2204 01:50:07,060 --> 01:50:03,889 during that interview on phenomenon 2205 01:50:08,169 --> 01:50:07,070 radio that I knew and I can't speak 2206 01:50:09,129 --> 01:50:08,179 about because they were told in 2207 01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:09,139 confidence 2208 01:50:15,149 --> 01:50:11,960 that was one of them that there was they 2209 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:15,159 were already there on the drug stay game 2210 01:50:21,310 --> 01:50:18,650 yeah because Brian curry was the best 2211 01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:21,320 commander wasn't any what visit brain 2212 01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:24,110 curry they somebody who got booted off 2213 01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:27,679 base for drugs and said comrade took 2214 01:50:39,459 --> 01:50:30,400 over I think that's the wrong name yet 2215 01:50:44,109 --> 01:50:39,469 yeah they couldn't work than the other 2216 01:50:46,590 --> 01:50:44,119 way but I know people will say there was 2217 01:50:49,180 --> 01:50:46,600 not problem with drugs on that base 2218 01:50:51,070 --> 01:50:49,190 listen I'm telling you Sasha 2219 01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:51,080 the airmen that came down to Great 2220 01:50:56,890 --> 01:50:54,050 Yarmouth they were all not all that's 2221 01:51:00,430 --> 01:50:56,900 not saying there's a lot of incidences 2222 01:51:02,770 --> 01:51:00,440 of them being in court for drugs and 2223 01:51:04,419 --> 01:51:02,780 I've got some yummy captain's with an 2224 01:51:07,030 --> 01:51:04,429 engine and the never gonna release and 2225 01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:07,040 cause if they're on their families but 2226 01:51:13,660 --> 01:51:10,369 on their main the magistrates were 2227 01:51:15,700 --> 01:51:13,670 briefed to hand him back over to the US 2228 01:51:18,189 --> 01:51:15,710 to do what they want to do with them and 2229 01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,199 not sir put me in our prisons more or 2230 01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:20,719 less and that was and that was what 2231 01:51:25,810 --> 01:51:23,690 happened and then the they would come 2232 01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:25,820 and collect him and take him back and as 2233 01:51:28,959 --> 01:51:27,170 far as I know they were never seen again 2234 01:51:36,430 --> 01:51:28,969 so on I should imagine they were they 2235 01:51:39,220 --> 01:51:36,440 were down and sent straight great 2236 01:51:44,050 --> 01:51:39,230 yarmouth mercury's from not just 1980 2237 01:51:47,620 --> 01:51:44,060 before 1978 and even after and names you 2238 01:51:50,290 --> 01:51:47,630 know RAF Bentwaters RAF Woodbridge comes 2239 01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:50,300 up quite a lot but they wouldn't mind 2240 01:51:58,959 --> 01:51:55,730 how many people were there especially I 2241 01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:58,969 think I've got the figure four thousand 2242 01:52:03,100 --> 01:52:00,080 that might been more than that 2243 01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:03,110 four thousand personnel is a lot yeah 2244 01:52:10,359 --> 01:52:05,630 and a lot of them young and away from 2245 01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:10,369 home for the first time you know so I 2246 01:52:15,729 --> 01:52:13,250 kind of you know because I know that 2247 01:52:19,230 --> 01:52:15,739 obviously Laurie didn't secure himself a 2248 01:52:20,810 --> 01:52:19,240 fine [\h__\h] hole in his mom on the base 2249 01:52:23,550 --> 01:52:20,820 you know I checked all the rest of it 2250 01:52:28,170 --> 01:52:23,560 what kind of behaviors of yours you were 2251 01:52:32,790 --> 01:52:28,180 fine you know what kind of activity was 2252 01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:32,800 he really up to give him up fine I 2253 01:52:37,830 --> 01:52:35,920 didn't know I didn't know but you know I 2254 01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,840 don't think I was fooling in his mum 2255 01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:39,520 because I say there was plenty of people 2256 01:52:50,970 --> 01:52:48,490 run my mum's yeah it was a problem from 2257 01:52:56,370 --> 01:52:50,980 the get-go you know he was a problem 2258 01:52:58,980 --> 01:52:56,380 from the get-go yeah yeah whatever he 2259 01:53:07,530 --> 01:52:58,990 got it got pulled in an interview for 2260 01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:07,540 drugs did they yeah yeah I'll just join 2261 01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:08,650 me you know there's all these little 2262 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:10,690 bits that I just kind of it's a figure 2263 01:53:19,470 --> 01:53:17,050 of you down false parts because oh yeah 2264 01:53:21,870 --> 01:53:19,480 I was trying to fathom out why he was 2265 01:53:24,030 --> 01:53:21,880 running round one and to find out 2266 01:53:25,530 --> 01:53:24,040 everything what was happening because he 2267 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:25,540 was questioning people about what they 2268 01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:27,850 had seen and what they had done and I 2269 01:53:34,110 --> 01:53:31,090 thought well me maybe he's been he's 2270 01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:34,120 being used by like the u.s. ice as a 2271 01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:36,790 snitch right because they you know they 2272 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:38,950 do do that they do use people against 2273 01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:40,330 each other so they get their information 2274 01:53:45,540 --> 01:53:43,090 a lot of it but I did speak to someone 2275 01:53:50,130 --> 01:53:45,550 weren't Rick Doty that was someone high 2276 01:53:50,670 --> 01:53:50,140 up and retired now high-ranking AF 2277 01:53:53,550 --> 01:53:50,680 lewisite 2278 01:53:58,560 --> 01:53:53,560 officer and I put it to him and he said 2279 01:54:05,670 --> 01:53:58,570 nope he said that he was um what's the 2280 01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:05,680 word he was recognized as being a liar 2281 01:54:11,810 --> 01:54:10,090 very early on and I would never use a 2282 01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:11,820 lie for anything 2283 01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:17,170 and so you know he did say that don't 2284 01:54:24,630 --> 01:54:19,570 mean say another agency might have used 2285 01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,640 him you know but as far as the OSI go no 2286 01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:26,560 they don't people like that they 2287 01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:29,440 wouldn't give the time at 18 and they 2288 01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:31,390 said he was recognized early 2289 01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:33,850 being a liar in fact they said there was 2290 01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,130 another case brought against him but 2291 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:38,320 that's only here saying I don't know got 2292 01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:52,810 new admits who's a liar in left to 2293 01:54:56,220 --> 01:54:53,440 escape 2294 01:54:59,460 --> 01:54:56,230 I mean he's when when he got called in 2295 01:55:00,900 --> 01:54:59,470 for the supposed phone call and he told 2296 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:00,910 him that he didn't make a phone call 2297 01:55:09,590 --> 01:55:02,890 until he he said she was played the tape 2298 01:55:15,870 --> 01:55:13,170 openly admitted he's a thief so in his 2299 01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:15,880 own book he's painted the picture of 2300 01:55:23,730 --> 01:55:19,630 being the liar and a thief so he stolen 2301 01:55:29,310 --> 01:55:23,740 some of his records and photocopied all 2302 01:55:31,500 --> 01:55:29,320 the bits you're gonna steal some of it 2303 01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:31,510 it's steal it oh yeah they're not 2304 01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:34,560 throats of copy bits and then you know 2305 01:55:40,260 --> 01:55:37,330 photocopy you know whatever so he's 2306 01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:40,270 either stolen his own military documents 2307 01:55:47,610 --> 01:55:46,180 very stolen blank no documents or 2308 01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:47,620 whatever and fill them in afterwards 2309 01:55:54,210 --> 01:55:50,320 well we know he's quite possible he's 2310 01:55:56,130 --> 01:55:54,220 proven that he's good at forgery this is 2311 01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:56,140 the word there's no other way but knows 2312 01:56:02,850 --> 01:55:59,280 that you send the photographs just in it 2313 01:56:05,460 --> 01:56:02,860 but until I mean there's more research 2314 01:56:07,500 --> 01:56:05,470 needed people like Persky he was the 2315 01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:07,510 base lawyer they need find him and 2316 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:09,730 contact and then asking them if some of 2317 01:56:13,260 --> 01:56:11,530 these claims that he's made whether 2318 01:56:14,970 --> 01:56:13,270 they're true or not I mean I'd like to 2319 01:56:18,030 --> 01:56:14,980 get all the grit Bartram you know and 2320 01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:18,040 ask him you know sift a story change you 2321 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:20,410 know we'll see what Steve launch arrows 2322 01:56:28,020 --> 01:56:23,770 got to say and save that because all of 2323 01:56:30,030 --> 01:56:28,030 a sudden the business about when when 2324 01:56:32,610 --> 01:56:30,040 lieutenant England busts things are 2325 01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,620 pulled up and to receive we're leaving 2326 01:56:37,290 --> 01:56:34,480 from June in that stories chain for me 2327 01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:37,300 was not taken off duty and then a late 2328 01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:39,490 time someone said they'd never take you 2329 01:56:44,250 --> 01:56:42,070 off duty yet they good after every leak 2330 01:56:44,700 --> 01:56:44,260 then they say he was relieved by someone 2331 01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:44,710 else 2332 01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:47,440 she knew about lols but in left at 2333 01:56:51,180 --> 01:56:48,910 Eastgate he says he didn't know anything 2334 01:56:52,890 --> 01:56:51,190 about all those verse that might been in 2335 01:57:04,050 --> 01:56:52,900 a great new show he said he didn't know 2336 01:57:06,810 --> 01:57:04,060 anything about light walls but but 2337 01:57:12,090 --> 01:57:06,820 originally it was Swift 2338 01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:12,100 ball and some black officer that's right 2339 01:57:21,600 --> 01:57:18,850 yeah then it's been him and and OH 2340 01:57:24,479 --> 01:57:21,610 every single element that's several 2341 01:57:26,820 --> 01:57:24,489 different versions and you know I've 2342 01:57:30,420 --> 01:57:26,830 tried to present enough to people to get 2343 01:57:32,670 --> 01:57:30,430 the picture but I just have to do a 2344 01:57:36,540 --> 01:57:32,680 little bit more on that a thing yeah and 2345 01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:36,550 then also the definite next week is the 2346 01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:38,800 big reveal of the evidence that has been 2347 01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:45,730 discovered it's irrefutable so it's just 2348 01:57:50,100 --> 01:57:48,130 it was gonna be this week but there was 2349 01:57:54,060 --> 01:57:50,110 a little you know a big Christmas new 2350 01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:54,070 atmosphere kind of didn't sink with it 2351 01:57:59,940 --> 01:57:57,610 quite so we're definitely moving from 2352 01:58:04,490 --> 01:57:59,950 this which just underlined a lot more 2353 01:58:07,770 --> 01:58:04,500 about Rendlesham yeah and not just his 2354 01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:07,780 Rockstar lies you know right there is 2355 01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:12,370 important but you know people say what's 2356 01:58:18,570 --> 01:58:16,000 that got to do with rendition so quite a 2357 01:58:23,580 --> 01:58:18,580 bit now on the problems with these 2358 01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:23,590 Rendlesham narrative yeah today is you 2359 01:58:31,110 --> 01:58:26,890 know underline so much for me as well as 2360 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:31,120 throw the people that I've been 2361 01:58:34,350 --> 01:58:32,770 following this and though some people 2362 01:58:34,919 --> 01:58:34,360 might actually not quite know what's 2363 01:58:37,500 --> 01:58:34,929 going 2364 01:58:38,820 --> 01:58:37,510 I don't think and if you don't just get 2365 01:58:42,209 --> 01:58:38,830 in touch with me and I'll fill you in 2366 01:58:45,390 --> 01:58:42,219 yeah google google Rendlesham forest 2367 01:58:46,890 --> 01:58:45,400 incident you know the girls gonna get 2368 01:58:48,660 --> 01:58:46,900 some people are gonna bury their heads 2369 01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:48,670 in the sands and the same people same 2370 01:58:52,530 --> 01:58:51,130 names cover up asking the same questions 2371 01:58:54,780 --> 01:58:52,540 like reinventing the wheel 2372 01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:54,790 I'm tired of answering questions to 2373 01:58:58,169 --> 01:58:56,080 these people you know I've got to the 2374 01:59:02,160 --> 01:58:58,179 stage now I think I've done what I can 2375 01:59:05,010 --> 01:59:02,170 do and that we'll all get one time in my 2376 01:59:06,990 --> 01:59:05,020 own way in my own time I'm tied up to 2377 01:59:09,540 --> 01:59:07,000 something where I can't do anything but 2378 01:59:18,930 --> 01:59:09,550 soon as that's that's over then I'll 2379 01:59:42,439 --> 01:59:38,550 raise them you'll never cover all I'll 2380 01:59:45,810 --> 01:59:42,449 say to the listeners this is Anne Reid 2381 01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:45,820 lefties game you've got to read it read 2382 01:59:52,740 --> 01:59:48,850 georgina Bruni's you can't tell the 2383 01:59:54,479 --> 01:59:52,750 people definitely greet sky crash um the 2384 01:59:56,399 --> 01:59:54,489 authors of sky crush will tell you those 2385 02:00:04,439 --> 01:59:56,409 errors in their yeah you got remember 2386 02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:04,449 they got that book a real hurry remember 2387 02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:06,310 there was no there was no Google or 2388 02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:08,610 anything then boots on the ground 2389 02:00:12,419 --> 02:00:09,730 investigations 2390 02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:12,429 look at all the early articles that were 2391 02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:17,170 written from 1980 onwards and just do 2392 02:00:22,050 --> 02:00:19,690 your own digging and look at what people 2393 02:00:22,649 --> 02:00:22,060 are said and how their stories are 2394 02:00:25,830 --> 02:00:22,659 changed 2395 02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:25,840 and yeah and then make your own mind up 2396 02:00:30,510 --> 02:00:28,510 and I'm sure the the witnesses will be 2397 02:00:31,439 --> 02:00:30,520 the first to say they still don't know 2398 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:31,449 what happened to him 2399 02:00:35,729 --> 02:00:33,370 or we know something remarkable did 2400 02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:35,739 happen over them few days and whether 2401 02:00:41,250 --> 02:00:38,890 that was something otherworldly all's us 2402 02:00:43,169 --> 02:00:41,260 or was us experimenting with different 2403 02:00:44,939 --> 02:00:43,179 things that opened up something that 2404 02:00:46,709 --> 02:00:44,949 allowed something from somewhere else to 2405 02:00:48,359 --> 02:00:46,719 come out that was through a different 2406 02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:48,369 dimension or Apple I 2407 02:00:53,310 --> 02:00:50,530 remember I'm in the early days Sasha 2408 02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:53,320 Colonel hole always said he always said 2409 02:00:57,060 --> 02:00:54,880 he would never discount that was 2410 02:01:00,000 --> 02:00:57,070 something wasn't something from another 2411 02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:00,010 dimension and I think he knows a little 2412 02:01:05,129 --> 02:01:01,770 bit more than what he's letting on 2413 02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:05,139 well he told me we were talking long day 2414 02:01:12,899 --> 02:01:08,050 he told me to read the skin walk around 2415 02:01:16,379 --> 02:01:12,909 switch right yes and so he actually 2416 02:01:18,209 --> 02:01:16,389 thinks is pretty much the same kind of 2417 02:01:19,919 --> 02:01:18,219 phenomena going on as the skin odd agree 2418 02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:19,929 with that which you know I would do 2419 02:01:23,370 --> 02:01:21,610 agree with it as well because you know 2420 02:01:25,020 --> 02:01:23,380 some of the phenomena seen and the 2421 02:01:27,390 --> 02:01:25,030 skinwalker ranch just being experienced 2422 02:01:30,180 --> 02:01:27,400 by myself and by my friend Paula and 2423 02:01:33,530 --> 02:01:30,190 other people that have had experiences 2424 02:01:36,180 --> 02:01:33,540 so it's not unique to skinwalker and so 2425 02:01:38,580 --> 02:01:36,190 yeah I could actually believe that 2426 02:01:40,589 --> 02:01:38,590 something like that yeah people say all 2427 02:01:42,720 --> 02:01:40,599 sorts down there doing personally I 2428 02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:42,730 never have I did have an experience at 2429 02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:46,510 Brenda's but in the forest no yeah 2430 02:01:56,070 --> 02:01:53,050 well don't you say it yes very easy 2431 02:02:00,089 --> 02:01:56,080 fringes cuz I go a lot anyway but I'm 2432 02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:00,099 before meditation in my house as well 2433 02:02:04,500 --> 02:02:02,530 and I feel a cigar very warm feeling 2434 02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:04,510 about it but yes I've I can quite 2435 02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:06,610 understand you know I've seen lights in 2436 02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:08,770 there and not even mentioned you know at 2437 02:02:25,169 --> 02:02:11,170 the corner me I think that's not normal 2438 02:02:27,149 --> 02:02:25,179 you know even dot reckons that she saw 2439 02:02:30,149 --> 02:02:27,159 an alien gray in our kitchen she swears 2440 02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:30,159 by it and I was before the wild turkey 2441 02:02:42,990 --> 02:02:39,280 not after I'd hurt us a few times from 2442 02:02:45,120 --> 02:02:43,000 dot and I said where was Brenda she said 2443 02:02:47,669 --> 02:02:45,130 well I think Brenda was upstairs but who 2444 02:02:51,390 --> 02:02:47,679 knows the little alien grade could have 2445 02:02:56,910 --> 02:02:51,400 been Brenda you never know what 2446 02:02:59,100 --> 02:02:56,920 surprises philosophize I should be going 2447 02:03:01,050 --> 02:02:59,110 with her again soon but yeah what love 2448 02:03:02,189 --> 02:03:01,060 Adam remarkable things happen in their 2449 02:03:09,739 --> 02:03:02,199 presence down there 2450 02:03:14,489 --> 02:03:11,819 and I think you have to be in the right 2451 02:03:16,979 --> 02:03:14,499 zone to take it all in you know you can 2452 02:03:18,899 --> 02:03:16,989 walk around a fair you know for days and 2453 02:03:21,330 --> 02:03:18,909 days but if you're not in the right zone 2454 02:03:24,569 --> 02:03:21,340 and yeah I don't think anything will 2455 02:03:26,729 --> 02:03:24,579 happen but I'm not alone in thinking 2456 02:03:29,759 --> 02:03:26,739 that there's more investigation need to 2457 02:03:31,439 --> 02:03:29,769 be doing in that area and who knows that 2458 02:03:36,750 --> 02:03:31,449 could be because of them tracks that's 2459 02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:36,760 all taken up you know pretty standard 2460 02:03:41,009 --> 02:03:39,130 for causing paranormal acts 2461 02:03:42,839 --> 02:03:41,019 yeah then they say that is ordens when 2462 02:03:44,549 --> 02:03:42,849 those building work going on that's when 2463 02:03:46,589 --> 02:03:44,559 like things start happening 2464 02:03:48,660 --> 02:03:46,599 I've had several folders we work on 2465 02:03:50,819 --> 02:03:48,670 historic monuments told me that when 2466 02:03:53,250 --> 02:03:50,829 they start removing walls that's when 2467 02:03:56,839 --> 02:03:53,260 all the [\h__\h] starts happening so and 2468 02:03:59,160 --> 02:03:56,849 these are non-believing people as well 2469 02:04:01,379 --> 02:03:59,170 you got that forest you won't be an 2470 02:04:04,319 --> 02:04:01,389 unbeliever for love right well that's a 2471 02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:04,329 sign off that we'll see you oh yeah 2472 02:04:08,399 --> 02:04:06,610 absolutely love talkin tsunami and 2473 02:04:10,169 --> 02:04:08,409 looking forward to coming down in 2474 02:04:12,479 --> 02:04:10,179 September our Lakes obviously keen a 2475 02:04:14,609 --> 02:04:12,489 Jonathan Davis come you must be sure for 2476 02:04:15,259 --> 02:04:14,619 me said oh yeah that's some strange in 2477 02:04:17,939 --> 02:04:15,269 there 2478 02:04:19,620 --> 02:04:17,949 yeah brilliant well thanks for coming on